the snap general election thread

Fella

Ballard wrote: »

I've read that post several times but can't for the life of me see where he has said that he will write off any debts.

I see. So you're saying "I will deal with it" meant "I won't do anything about it". Gotcha.

To be honest when Corbyn is bang to rights like this you're better off not trying to defend the indefensible, it destroys any credibility any other arguments you make might have.

Corbyn lied to buy votes. I know it. You know it. He knows it. And unfortunately for him, all those students he lied to know it.

Ballard

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

Er so where does it say they will borrow to pay for it??

He said "..the only way to cut fees and maintain standards and student numbers would be by raising taxes, ‘

You need to stop reading just headlines and start reading the articles - at least. One is designed to grab attention (for you) - the other hopefully to discuss / present the matter albeit with a paper bias.

I don't have to read the article. The Tories claimed that the proposals in the Labour manifesto were not possible because there was no 'magic money tree'. If this story has any truth in it then it appears that at least one of the proposals was possible.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Ballard wrote: »

I don't have to read the article. The Tories claimed that the proposals in the Labour manifesto were not possible because there was no 'magic money tree'. If this story has any truth in it then it appears that at least one of the proposals was possible.

You are right that the Labour had and have not indicated how they will fund the wiping of student debt.

The Tories are saying they will do something if they can pay for it from revenue (i.e. not borrowing).

If you don't get how different that is - you really don't get it at all.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

A salutory lesson to all new voters. Don't believe a poltician. :silenced:

Never a truer word spoken.

Fella wrote: »

I see. So you're saying "I will deal with it" meant "I won't do anything about it". Gotcha.

But he didn't say he'd wipe it either (and that'd be unreasonable). He may still have been able to make it easier on people by (a) increasing the payment threshold (b) making it easier to defer (c) writing them off earlier (d) capping the interest rates or (e) invoking some sort of partial refunds.

He hasn't (as far as I'm aware) said he isn't going to do anything, just that he's not going to try and write them off entirely.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Herzlos wrote: »

He hasn't (as far as I'm aware) said he isn't going to do anything, just that he's not going to try and write them off entirely.

So let me get this straight - he is not likely going to do anything much (and won't wholly wipe out debts) , but he is going to talk about it as if he will do that or something really major to secure votes.

Why not say what he intends to do (e.g. one or more of your examples) - and so be honest and up front which everyone keeps saying he is the epitome of?

Fella

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

So let me get this straight - he is not likely going to do anything much (and won't wholly wipe out debts) , but he is going to talk about it as if he will do that or something really major to secure votes.

Why not say what he intends to do (e.g. one or more of your examples) - and so way be honest and up front which everyone keeps saying he is the epitome of?

This sums it up exactly. Corbyn & his crew's favourite trick is to say stuff that can be spun to the likes of students/ex-students or anybody else foolish enough to be taken in, but actually has no detail of exactly what they will do and how. This is usually because they either have no intention of doing it or no idea how they could.

This student debt lie is just one example. Corbyn's entire position on Trident is another (we'll keep it, we'll scrap it, we'll keep it but won't use it, we'll.....um......). The ridiculously vague wishy-washy stuff about re-nationalizing power & water was another (something highly likely to be impossible/illegal in practice). The vague promise to introduce 4 new bank holidays was another (immediately? In ten years time? Never?). Their position on Brexit (a jobs-first Brexit? What does that even mean? In favour of the single market? Or not? In favour of freedom of movement? Or not? Does anybody actually know what Labour's real position on Brexit is?)

And so on and so on and so on.

As has been mentioned before, they were allowed to get away with this during the last election campaign & faced remarkably little tough questioning from any news channel (or from the Tories themselves who were like rabbits in the headlights).

Whenever the next election is, people will have seen a lot more of Corbyn & a lot more of them will have realised why he has spent his entire career as an unsuccessful, unheard of, political non-entity. His politics are bad, and he's bad at politics. Their fantasy policies will never go un-scrutinized again. Corbyn missed his shot.

Ballard

Fella wrote: »

I see. So you're saying "I will deal with it" meant "I won't do anything about it". Gotcha.

To be honest when Corbyn is bang to rights like this you're better off not trying to defend the indefensible, it destroys any credibility any other arguments you make might have.

Corbyn lied to buy votes. I know it. You know it. He knows it. And unfortunately for him, all those students he lied to know it.

It could be any number of things. Making the loan 0% for 20 years. Have it written off after 5 years are two possibilities that spring to mind. You seem to know exactly what he meant but I'm afraid that I don't.

Ballard

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

You are right that the Labour had and have not indicated how they will fund the wiping of student debt.

The Tories are saying they will do something if they can pay for it from revenue (i.e. not borrowing).

If you don't get how different that is - you really don't get it at all.

This would be revenue not open to Labour would it? Being as it was deme utterly impossible only a few weeks ago by the Tories I can only assume so.

kabayiri

I don't believe that Corbyn had any real expectation of winning power. This allows him more freedom in his manifesto promises.

The student debt issue was a way of buying influence amongst a certain section of the voter base, but it was *also* a way of painting the Tories as anti-student.

He should have spoken to Vince Cable, who on QT openly stated that free HE was unaffordable, something the coallition realised and also Blair/Brown realised.

Herzlos

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

Why not say what he intends to do (e.g. one or more of your examples) - and so be honest and up front which everyone keeps saying he is the epitome of?

He did say what he intends to do - he's aware it's a problem and aims to do something about it. But he's presumably not determined the best combination of approaches to deal with it.