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Corbyn said he'd deal with existing student debt. His words.
He deliberately chose words that would unambiguously be interpreted as meaning it would be written off. It was widely interpreted that way & he did nothing whatsoever to correct the people who did so.
There were many many tweets & other posts on Social media at the time, calling him a "Legend" etc because he was going to write off existing loans.
He & Labour can try to weasel out of it as much as they like. The fact is he misled 5 million people with existing student debt in order to buy their votes. As we know, students tend to take that kind of thing rather badly (remember there used to be an MP called Nick Clegg......)0 -
The Manifestos are history - as Fella has just posted above says it clear enough.They did not say they would get rid of all student debt (ie debt that already exists).I am just thinking out loud - nothing I say should be relied upon!
I do however reserve the right to be correct by accident.0 -
No one can prove what will never happen but if you look at history and the extensive comment at the time - anyone with an ounce of perception stated correctly that if you raise % tax rate a lot - your tax revenue will NOT equate to a % of the same number as Labour calculated.The Labour Manifesto annex made it clear what their spending commitments were (48bn) and what tax measures would fund them (48bn). I have no way of knowing how accurate these figures are but neither do you.
People will do other things than generate the same level corporate profit to be taxed while that is in force. Always happy for you to cite a case where it was not so...I am just thinking out loud - nothing I say should be relied upon!
I do however reserve the right to be correct by accident.0 -
No, that's what they're saying NOW.
Corbyn said he would "deal with" existing debt.
I think you're clinging to one quote from him at the expense of ignoring everything else he's said. I've seen a few speeches from him where he indicates wiping existing debt as aspirational - it was part of the campaign.0 -
I think you're clinging to one quote from him at the expense of ignoring everything else he's said. I've seen a few speeches from him where he indicates wiping existing debt as aspirational - it was part of the campaign.
Doesn't matter. The damage is done. Corbyn may find people more sceptical next time around.0 -
I think you're clinging to one quote from him at the expense of ignoring everything else he's said. I've seen a few speeches from him where he indicates wiping existing debt as aspirational - it was part of the campaign.
Not only did he say he'd deal with it, but he had his shadow ministers tweeting out to students that their existing debts would be paid.
Oh (dear) Jeremy Corbyn......
https://order-order.com/2017/07/25/corbynistas-did-tell-students-vote-labour-to-get-debts-written-off/0 -
Not only did he say he'd deal with it, but he had his shadow ministers tweeting out to students that their existing debts would be paid.
No, there's a tweet saying they *could* be paid. That's not the same as would.
So, do you have any other source saying anything definitive or are you just going by the anti-corbyn gutter press?
What about all the actual U-Turns from the Tories? Why does no-one care about them as much as a fictional U-Turn from Corbyn?0 -
No, there's a tweet saying they *could* be paid. That's not the same as would.
So, do you have any other source saying anything definitive or are you just going by the anti-corbyn gutter press?
What about all the actual U-Turns from the Tories? Why does no-one care about them as much as a fictional U-Turn from Corbyn?
Haha, so Corbyn says he'll deal with debt & his shadow cabinet are tweeting that students should vote Labour to get their debts written off & you're still clinging to the line that Labour didn't mislead students?
The entire country, including Corbyn & McDonnell themselves, know that he lied to Students. You can deny it all you want. All it does is loses you credibility.
He lied and he's been caught out. Personally I hope he's stupid enough to keep on trying to wriggle out of it indefinitely, it keeps it nicely in the news & makes him look like a bigger liar everytime he tries.
Them students don't forgive easily as the Libs discovered.0 -
Except he hasn't. No-one has promised to pay off existing student debt, there were promises to look into doing something about it and that's clear to anyone who isn't trying to twist it.
In any case, is there any evidence that anyone voted Labour because of this alleged item that wasn't in the manifesto? Was anyone defrauded by Corbyn and his ministers not promising to wipe historic student debt?0 -
He said he'd "deal with it".In an interview with NME just days before polling day, Mr Corbyn said: 'And I don't see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. 'I will deal with it.'“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and who weren't so lazy.”0
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