the snap general election thread

BobQ

GreatApe wrote: »

Regarding your point of renting being different, well the costs will be passed onto the tenants and if you are personally unwilling to safeguard your own house and family with a sprinkler system that you personally feel is unjustified taken into account the cost and relatively modest reduction in risk then what right do you have to impose that same cost you are unwilling to bear onto others?

Anyway I hope this event triggers more R&D into fire suppression. Something which is so effective and affordable that even you as a homeowner is willing to buy it.

You cannot personally invest in a sprinkler if you live in a flat whether rented or owned.

R&D is not the issue. Its available today. The trade body estimated the costs were £200K.

hallmark

steampowered wrote: »

It is interesting that hallmark seems to be more outraged by politicians demanding answers to legitimate questions, than the fact that at least 30 people have died in what looks like it was an entirely preventable incident.

Reported. Kindly keep disgusting comments like this to yourself and do not presume to speculate on my feelings over this. I'm sure it makes you feel warm inside posting stuff like this safely & anonymously. Hopefully you'll be banned.

steampowered

hallmark wrote: »

Reported. Kindly keep disgusting comments like this to yourself and do not presume to speculate on my feelings over this. I'm sure it makes you feel warm inside posting stuff like this safely & anonymously. Hopefully you'll be banned.

I don't comment on your feelings hallmark. I simply make an observation on your posts. There are now pages and pages on this thread of you laying into politicians for asking questions. Yet hardly anything commenting on the disaster itself or the very serious failures which are coming to light.

Much of it seems to involve you trying to criticise Jeremy Corbyn at every possible opportunity. Perhaps it is time to take a step back and recognise that there are very serious questions which politicians need to ask? Rather than using the disaster to push an anti-Labour message (or anti-anybody message for that matter)?

hallmark

steampowered wrote: »

Much of it seems to involve you trying to criticise Jeremy Corbyn at every possible opportunity. Perhaps it is time to take a step back and recognise that there are very serious questions which politicians need to ask? Rather than using the disaster to push an anti-Labour message?

It's Corbyn and his followers who are politicizing this and nobody else.

A judge-led public enquiry has already been announced therefore there is zero reason, other than political gain, for Corbyn or any of his MPs to be "demanding answers". You know and I know and they know that the only answers worth hearing will come from the enquiry when we actually have some facts. Everything else is simply Corbyn hoping he can whip up enough discontent that we have another election this year.

I absolutely criticize him for that, it's disgusting and it's adding to the misery, if that's possible, of the people involved. They are being used for political gain. An utter disgrace and it needs to he highlighted as such before it causes any more damage. Corbyn would be quite happy if this led to rioting with the accordant damage & injuries or worse that would lead to. That should be stopped in it's tracks.


Do NOT comment on my feelings over this. I do not agree one iota with your stance, or Moby's for example, however I do not sink to the level of speculating whether you actually care that people were killed.

wintersunshine

GreatApe wrote: »

Stop this nonsense blaming this government for this. It's a tragic event which may be the result of poor decisions on materials or failure to meet certain regulations. It was nothing to do with Tory government cuts. Also it doesn't seem at this time that sprinklers would have made the difference in this case

This could back fire on them. Corbyn and the Labour party are making me sick.

wintersunshine

Moby wrote: »

Lily Allen originates from the area and still lives there.

She'll be opening her house up to the victims then? - oh no wait....

Joe_Horner

GreatApe wrote: »

Why weren't they installed anytime between 1997-2010?

Possibly because:

• Between 1997 and 2010 there wasn't major refurbishment being done (an ideal time to carry out such work) to make it prettier for the posh neighbours.
  
• Between 1997 and 2010 it hadn't been wrapped in a type of cladding that both German and US regs prohibit on towers over about 20m height because of the known fire risk of PE cores.

Incidentally, in answer to earlier comments about "what value we put on human lives" - about £2 per square meter seems to be the going rate in Kensington. At least for council tenants anyway.

Moby

wintersunshine wrote: »

She'll be opening her house up to the victims then? - oh no wait....

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/lily-allen-offers-tea-and-shelter-to-grenfell-tower-fire-victims-6707972/

hallmark

Moby wrote: »

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/lily-allen-offers-tea-and-shelter-to-grenfell-tower-fire-victims-6707972/

She's wilfully portraying the media reporting the numbers of the official dead as some kind of Tory cover up. Adding substantially to the anguish of the survivors.

But anybody even remotely educated knows it's the Metropolitan police who release those figures and the Media simply report what the Police tell them. There are reasons it works that way.

So why don't you criticize her as she deserves?

Or are you just so tribal you're incapable of doing anything but try to incite hate against conservatives whilst defending every low thing that Corbyn & his followers do?

hallmark

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Possibly because:
Between 1997 and 2010 it hadn't been wrapped in a type of cladding that both German and US regs prohibit on towers over about 20m height because of the known fire risk of PE cores.


Incidentally, in answer to earlier comments about "what value we put on human lives" - about £2 per square meter seems to be the going rate in Kensington. At least for council tenants anyway.

Are you saying no tower blocks were covered in that kind of cladding between 1997-2010?