the snap general election thread

GreatApe

Moby wrote: »

Seraphima Kennedy, who worked for the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO) between 2007 and early 2016, told BBC Radio 4’s the World at One that the organisation was “massively overstretched”. The TMO, like lots of other housing providers in London and across the country was functioning in a severely squeezed environment. They were massively overstretched. She added: This cuts right to the heart of how the state views the poorest people in society. We have sprinklers in society; we don’t have them in high rise council blocks. Because they are too expensive? Because it would be disruptive? I mean it really does make you ask questions about how the state values lives and which lives it values.

Why weren't they installed anytime between 1997-2010?

Stop this nonsense blaming this government for this. It's a tragic event which may be the result of poor decisions on materials or failure to meet certain regulations. It was nothing to do with Tory government cuts. Also it doesn't seem at this time that sprinklers would have made the difference in this case

hallmark

Moby wrote: »

Lily Allen originates from the area and still lives there.

What's that got to do with anything? That doesn't give her any right to make stupid accusations & generally do her best to stir up an already awful situation.

As with Corbyn her actions are 100% politically motivated. She can barely get out a sentence without saying how much she hates the Tories. A pitiful & exceptionally ignorant little girl.

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

Why weren't they installed anytime between 1997-2010?

Stop this nonsense blaming this government for this. It's a tragic event which may be the result of poor decisions on materials or failure to meet certain regulations. It was nothing to do with Tory government cuts. Also it doesn't seem at this time that sprinklers would have made the difference in this case

It's not nonsense, (which you have accused me of a number of times now!). This was avoidable and the growing anger is out there. You may not like it...best put me on ignore....I'd appreciate it.

hallmark

GreatApe wrote: »

Why weren't they installed anytime between 1997-2010?

Stop this nonsense blaming this government for this. It's a tragic event which may be the result of poor decisions on materials or failure to meet certain regulations. It was nothing to do with Tory government cuts. Also it doesn't seem at this time that sprinklers would have made the difference in this case

Corbyn & his Momentum chums have seized on this as they're desperately hoping they can generate enough upheaval that it'll topple the Government. It's repulsive to watch but not really suprising.

Every comment any of them make is laced with suggestive comments designed to plant the idea in people's minds that this is all down to the Tories. Even though anybody with half a brain knows that the decisions that were made over this tower block were made by Labour Govts at least as much as Coalition/Tory Govts. And likewise there will be just as many blocks in Labour councils as in Tory councils that are essentially the same design.

Perhaps at some point the BBC will highlight precisely what Corbyn, McDonnell & McClusky et al are attempting & just how disgusting it is. But I wouldn't bank on it.

Moby

hallmark wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything? That doesn't give her any right to make stupid accusations & generally do her best to stir up an already awful situation.

As with Corbyn her actions are 100% politically motivated. She can barely get out a sentence without saying how much she hates the Tories. A pitiful & exceptionally ignorant little girl.

I'm sure she cares what you think of her and anyway the residents are behind her. They are the victims not you by the way. We should therefore respect their feelings and support their aims for answers...!

fewgroats

hallmark wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything? That doesn't give her any right to make stupid accusations & generally do her best to stir up an already awful situation.

It's all to do with anger.

hallmark

Moby wrote: »

I'm sure she cares what you think of her and anyway the residents are behind her. They are the victims not you by the way. We should therefore respect their feelings and support their aims for answers...!

Don't make me laugh talking about respecting the victims. Corbyn and his supporters couldn't wait to exploit their tragedy & you can barely last 5 minutes without posting another Guardian piece trying to make it seem as if the Tories were to blame. It's vomit-inducing.

Thrugelmir

fewgroats wrote: »

It's all to do with anger.

Managing peoples expectations in a proper manner is what responsible people would do. Dousing everything in sight in petrol helps no one.

hallmark

fewgroats wrote: »

It's all to do with anger.

No, it has nothing to do with anger and everything to do with politics.

If this had happened in a Labour-run borough you think we'd have had Labour MPs rushing to the airwaves to blame them? Don't make me laugh.

Likewise if Corbyn had won the election last week you think Lily Allen would have been there today blaming him? Yeah right.

What's going on here is that some despicable scumbags in the Corbyn camp are doing their best to exploit the survivors & victims of this tragedy.

steampowered

GreatApe wrote: »

Stop this nonsense blaming this government for this. It's a tragic event which may be the result of poor decisions on materials or failure to meet certain regulations. It was nothing to do with Tory government cuts. Also it doesn't seem at this time that sprinklers would have made the difference in this case

I think you need to wait until the report comes out before concluding that the government weren't to blame. It is entirely possible that the government were to blame.

The government has cut local authority budgets by 40%. And also frozen rent for social tenants, reducing the amount of money in social housing budgets.

It is entirely possible that the incredible strain local authority budgets have been put under has caused a breakdown in maintenance (e.g. no working fire alarms in a massive tower block) and failure to pay attention to fire safety in social housing (e.g. using cheap, highly flammable cladding).

If that turns out to be the case, the government will be directly to blame. In the same way that you would blame the government if it cut NHS funding by 40% and that resulted in more hospital deaths. But we'll have to wait and see what the report says the exact causes were.