the snap general election thread

Arklight

hallmark wrote: »

Ah the bitter words of a Labour supporter slowly realising that far from being some new Red Dawn, last week's election was merely the latest thumping defeat. The fake smile Corbyn has had plastered across his face since last week is slowly starting to crack as he realises that he still has no power & will just continue to squawk from the sidelines while the Tories get on with running the country.

OK I think we all got that you are super excited by the Blue Power Ranger, and that you don't have a Red Power Ranger in your toy box.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Arklight wrote: »

OK I think we all got that you are super excited by the Blue Power Ranger, and that you don't have a Red Power Ranger in your toy box.

Or you could reply.

"You seem fixed in your viewpoint but I think the world has moved on as seen there is more to Labour than this jaded and outdated viewpoint. This is reflected in the closeness of the GE result..."

But to your point, are you saying all Smurfs are Conservative?

Arklight

hallmark wrote: »

Au contraire, both of those will be protected far better by the Tories who will continue to repay the deficit & mend the economy.

As opposed to Labour who would have undone all the work done in the last 7 years at a stroke & caused untold misery among the poor.

Very sensible voting by pensioners. And that was on a manifesto that didn't offer them a single bribe.

A deficit is the gap between spending and revenue and can't be paid back.

You appear to have confused this with the national debt, which has grown more under the Tories last terms than all the last Labour governments combined.

In fact research shows that, no only do the Tories borrow more, they pay less of it back, less frequently than Labour.

Labour not only repaid more often, it turns out: it also repaid much more in total and on average (not shown) during each year when repayment was made.

So what do we learn? Two essential things, I suggest.

First, Labour invariably borrows less than the Conservatives. The data always shows that.

And second, Labour has always repaid debt more often than the Conservatives, and has always repaid more debt, on average.

The trend does not vary however you do the data.

Or, to put it another way, the Conservatives are the party of high UK borrowing and low debt repayment contrary to all popular belief, including that of most radio presenters. Which means that the next time I am presented with that nonsense I will be very firmly rebutting it.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

hallmark

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Sure.

How about Sir Keir Starmer, Labour's Brexit spokesman, on ITV...


http://labourlist.org/2016/10/immigration-control-not-more-important-than-jobs-in-brexit-deal-says-keir-starmer/

Seems crystal clear to me.

Single market, jobs, economy, all a higher priority than controlling immigration.

How does that in any way explain what a jobs first Brexit is or how it would be achieved?

Arklight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Sure.

How about Sir Keir Starmer, Labour's Brexit spokesman, on ITV...


http://labourlist.org/2016/10/immigration-control-not-more-important-than-jobs-in-brexit-deal-says-keir-starmer/

Seems crystal clear to me.

Single market, jobs, economy, all a higher priority than controlling immigration.

Brexit is a great example of how the Right can take a meaningless rabble rousing slogan, raise a rabble with it, and then find that being surrounded by an angry rabble who all have a different interpretation of what your slogan means, can go very wrong.

Reducing immigration means nothing because it says nothing about immigrants or any of the people angry about immigrants.

Applications from EU nurses have fallen by 93% so they've don't a great job of reducing that. Every angry Kipper will have a nice long wait on a gurney in some A&E hospital corridor now. They voted for it.

Student applications are down significantly, so they've done another sterling work of stopping educated young people wanting to come here. Because that's the #1 complaint of British companies, there are just too many well qualified globalist graduates out there.

So brilliant work from the red faced Daily Mail reader for solving that problem.

hallmark

Arklight wrote: »

OK I think we all got that you are super excited by the Blue Power Ranger, and that you don't have a Red Power Ranger in your toy box.

I was never really into the Power Rangers. However I'm super exited that Corbyn is held firmly out of power & all of his little helpers have nothing to do but post bitterly on bulletin boards for another 5 years :j:j

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

hallmark wrote: »

How does that in any way explain what a jobs first Brexit is or how it would be achieved?

A jobs first Brexit is one that does not prioritise reducing immigration over protecting jobs and growing the economy to create more jobs.

It's quite easy to understand...

A jobs first Brexit would be achieved by prioritising continued access to the single market over reducing immigration.

Again very easy to understand....

System

hamish_mctavish wrote: »

a jobs first brexit is one that does not prioritise reducing immigration over protecting jobs and growing the economy to create more jobs.

It's quite easy to understand...

A jobs first brexit would be achieved by prioritising continued access to the single market over reducing immigration.

Again very easy to understand....

Blue Power Rangerrrrrrr!!!!!!

hallmark

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

A jobs first Brexit is one that does not prioritise reducing immigration over protecting jobs and growing the economy to create more jobs.

It's quite easy to understand....

So your understanding of what Labour meant is that they would protect jobs by NOT restricting immigration?

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Arklight wrote: »

A deficit is the gap between spending and revenue and can't be paid back.

You appear to have confused this with the national debt, which has grown more under the Tories last terms than all the last Labour governments combined.

Agreed - deficit vs debt seems to be a common misconception.

Arklight wrote: »

In fact research shows that, no only do the Tories borrow more, they pay less of it back, less frequently than Labour.

This is interesting.

However there are some key considerations of what you take on when voted into power.

It seems reasonable to assume that there was absolutely massive and wholly necessary borrowing:-
> post WWII
> When we nearly went bankrupt in 1970's
> Post Global meltdown in 2008

It would not have mattered who was in power - each those events would have triggered the same response from any party (you'd hope). So the figures are facts, but the reasoning is opinion and our world is affected by world events.