the snap general election thread

hallmark

ukcarper wrote: »

Not necessary true as the effect of Labours borrowing will be good in the short term it is in the long term they it will be detrimental.

Surely the longterm view is the important one?

Rinoa

Arklight wrote: »

In any case, the Tories' airing of their dirty laundry in public is beginning to make the PLP look like a happy family. At least the Blairites were relatively straightforward in their condemnation of Corbyn. The Tories look like a bunch of devious backstabbing weasels. Because they are.

Still, 5 more years eh?

Herzlos

hallmark wrote: »

And throughout the campaign there wasn't a single Labour MP who could actually explain what that meant when asked.

Are you sure? It's gobsmackingly obvious:

Tories: Will do anything to keep immigration down to "tens of thousands a year", including going WTO [May: "No deal is better than a bad deal"]
Labour: Will not do anything which hurts the job market - will allow immigration where it's needed. [Explained by Corbyn on one of the many discussion shows he was on in the run up to the election].

Also, were any Tory MP's able to explain what their Brexit plans were, beyond soundbites?

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

Surely the longterm view is the important one?

Not if your are old and only consider yourself.

hallmark

Herzlos wrote: »

Nonsense - the Tories have spent the last 7 years making everyone except the rich (disproportionately amongst the oldest) misearable whilst not affecting the economy.

Would you like to back that up with some figures? Because it's not true.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/yes-lowest-paid-best-cameron/

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

hallmark wrote: »

A typical empty, meaningless, Corbyn Labour soundbite.

(feel free to correct me if there's a link to a Labour MP explaining what's meant by a "jobs first" Brexit & exactly how they would achieve it).

Sure.

How about Sir Keir Starmer, Labour's Brexit spokesman, on ITV...

Speaking on ITV’s Peston On Sunday show this morning, he said that “we shouldn’t be saying that immigration is more important than jobs.” “I think the mistake the Prime Minister has made is to make control of immigration the number one priority, and to relegate the economy to a second rank issue,” Starmer added. “That is quite extraordinary.”

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/immigration-control-not-more-important-than-jobs-in-brexit-deal-says-keir-starmer/

Seems crystal clear to me.

Single market, jobs, economy, all a higher priority than controlling immigration.

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

The PLP a happy family? most of their MPs voted no confidence in Corbyn. I wouldn't put too much store in a few losers sucking up because they're hoping for shadow cabinet posts. Corbyn has done a wonderful job of destroying the Labour party. Thank goodness he was leader last week, almost anybody else could have won.

I don't think you understand why Corbyn lost PLP it wasn't because they were totally opposed to his policies but that they though he was unelectable now it appears he might not be they will support him.

lovinituk

Herzlos wrote: »

Nonsense - the Tories have spent the last 7 years making everyone except the rich (disproportionately amongst the oldest) misearable whilst not affecting the economy.

Are 42% of those that voted, rich? Or did they vote conservative even though they were miserable? I'm neither rich nor miserable.

Rinoa

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The Tories stood on a platform of an 'immigration first' Brexit, where reducing migration to an arbitrary number would be prioritised no matter how much damage it did to the economy and people's lives.

And 'No Deal' was an option.

That was precisely the Tories stance when they had a 20+ points poll lead.

Labour just promised everyone free sweeties.

Herzlos

lovinituk wrote: »

Are 42% of those that voted, rich? Or did they vote conservative even though they were miserable? I'm neither rich nor miserable.

Plenty of people vote for things that make them worse off, for a variety of reasons.