the snap general election thread

Herzlos

I don't know if this has been posted, but YouGov poll on voting by employment. It seems only the pensions had a Tory majority. Not just students wanting "free stuff".



edit: Full link: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/

Arklight

Moby wrote: »

The nuances within the options are now there to consider. May was going for a hard brexit in which these options were not even going to be discussed. As Corbyn said......'isnt democracy a wonderful thing'. May now had to make the economy the central factor not freedom of movement. She thought she had shut debate on our future down. She hasnt.

Were it in me to feel sorry for the reptiles that inhabit the Tory front bench, I might even feel sorry for May. On TV her facial ticks and nervous laughter make her look like she's mid way through a breakdown. Which she probably is.

She appears to be deep in denial about the result last week, or what her merciless colleagues are going to end up doing to her.

The only reason she is still in post is because a) Even Boris Johnson doesn't want to take over at the moment, and b) They are waiting to see quite how much rope she can wind around her own neck before she is left with no options other than to jump.

Needless to say, the requirements of the country are a long way distant from any of the Tories' calculations about this train wreck. If Johnson cared about the UK, rather than leaking screenshots of his own WhatsApp posts to the media, he'd jump hard on this DUP catastrophe.

He won't because he knows how wrong it's going to go for May and doubtless reckons that the fall out will be enough to take out most of the rest of the front bench at the same time.

In any case, the Tories' airing of their dirty laundry in public is beginning to make the PLP look like a happy family. At least the Blairites were relatively straightforward in their condemnation of Corbyn. The Tories look like a bunch of devious backstabbing weasels. Because they are.

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't know if this has been posted, but YouGov poll on voting by employment. It seems only the pensions had a Tory majority. Not just students wanting "free stuff".

Is there a community spokesman for pensioners who we can reach out to?

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't know if this has been posted, but YouGov poll on voting by employment. It seems only the pensions had a Tory majority. Not just students wanting "free stuff".

So the majority of pensioners voted for the only party that wasn't going to protect thier benefits and property.

hallmark

ukcarper wrote: »

So the majority of pensioners voted for the only party that wasn't going to protect thier benefits and property.

Au contraire, both of those will be protected far better by the Tories who will continue to repay the deficit & mend the economy.

As opposed to Labour who would have undone all the work done in the last 7 years at a stroke & caused untold misery among the poor.

Very sensible voting by pensioners. And that was on a manifesto that didn't offer them a single bribe.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

michaels wrote: »

Labour stood on a platform of restricting free movement of labour and got 40% of the vote.

Labour stood on a platform of a 'jobs first' Brexit, where the economy and jobs would be prioritised over restricting immigration.

And 'No Deal' was not an option.

The Tories ran on a platform of restricting free movement of labour and got 42% of the vote.

The Tories stood on a platform of an 'immigration first' Brexit, where reducing migration to an arbitrary number would be prioritised no matter how much damage it did to the economy and people's lives.

And 'No Deal' was an option.

Remainers therefore conclude that the electoral mandate is for full acceptance of free movement of labour.

How does that work?

Lib Dems, Plaid and SNP (around 12% of the vote between them) all stood on the basis of remaining in the single market.

Labour (40% of the vote) stood on the basis of protecting the economy/jobs being more important than reducing immigration.

A majority of the electorate therefore voted for parties that would stay in the single market if it's the best available option for us.

And a minority of the electorate voted for the Tories 'Hard Brexit at any cost' manifesto.

But even that is of little consequence now - as to get even a wafer thin majority for anything the Tories have to deal with the DUP (for whom no deal' is very much not an option) and the Scottish Tory block (for whom single market membership is the preferred option).

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks - Hard Brexit is now firmly off the table as a viable option - no matter what spin may come from May or the Brexiteers.

hallmark

Arklight wrote: »

In any case, the Tories' airing of their dirty laundry in public is beginning to make the PLP look like a happy family. At least the Blairites were relatively straightforward in their condemnation of Corbyn. The Tories look like a bunch of devious backstabbing weasels. Because they are.

The PLP a happy family? most of their MPs voted no confidence in Corbyn. I wouldn't put too much store in a few losers sucking up because they're hoping for shadow cabinet posts. Corbyn has done a wonderful job of destroying the Labour party. Thank goodness he was leader last week, almost anybody else could have won.

ukcarper

hallmark wrote: »

Au contraire, both of those will be protected far better by the Tories who will continue to repay the deficit & mend the economy.

As opposed to Labour who would have undone all the work done in the last 7 years at a stroke & caused untold misery among the poor.

Very sensible voting by pensioners. And that was on a manifesto that didn't offer them a single bribe.

Not necessary true as the effect of Labours borrowing will be good in the short term it is in the long term they it will be detrimental.

hallmark

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Labour stood on a platform of a 'jobs first' Brexit

And throughout the campaign there wasn't a single Labour MP who could actually explain what that meant when asked.

A typical empty, meaningless, Corbyn Labour soundbite.

(feel free to correct me if there's a link to a Labour MP explaining what's meant by a "jobs first" Brexit & exactly how they would achieve it).

Herzlos

hallmark wrote: »

Au contraire, both of those will be protected far better by the Tories who will continue to repay the deficit & mend the economy.

As opposed to Labour who would have undone all the work done in the last 7 years at a stroke & caused untold misery among the poor.

Very sensible voting by pensioners. And that was on a manifesto that didn't offer them a single bribe.

Nonsense - the Tories have spent the last 7 years making everyone except the rich (disproportionately amongst the oldest) misearable whilst not affecting the economy.

Pensioners are the only group that don't really care about things like job stability (they've got a pension, probably a generous final salary deal), freedom of movement (they're probably not going to travel much), housing (they've got one), infrastructure (they don't need to travel for work), working conditions (they don't work).

They will be interested in things like energy price caps and inheritance tax limits (which Labour were going to decrease?).
They might get totally stuffed over the dementia tax though, but the tories said it'd be capped and many of them will potentially be in a position to dump their assets to avoid it anyway.