the snap general election thread

Arklight

The Tories have found a magic money tree.

BobQ

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

So BobQ just to be clear - you are saying that Labour never considered a deal with he DUP? How much are you willing to stake on that? Where is some unequivocal proof this is sheer fabrication? Happy to see proof not conjecture...

I am saying that the "evidence" posted on which I commented does not actually support the claim made. Are you trying to pretend it does or are you just too lazy or too biased to review it objectively.

There does not need to be unequivocal proof of it being fabrication. The "evidence" speaks for itself. Try posting some evidence first.

You are the one basing your argument on conjecture!

Joe_Horner

BobQ wrote: »

May's alleged statement that austerity is over is a good indication of her predicament.

Although, on recent performance, there's absolutely no basis on which to believe that. And, if she does mean it, it begs the question - if it's possible in the current economy to end it just like that - exactly why did she run an election on a Maintain The Pain* platform?





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CKhalvashi

Arklight wrote: »

The Tories have found a magic money tree.

Yes, it's remaining in the EEA.

You heard it here first

BobQ

michaels wrote: »

Labour stood on a platform of restricting free movement of labour and got 40% of the vote.
The Tories ran on a platform of restricting free movement of labour and got 42% of the vote.

Remainers therefore conclude that the electoral mandate is for full acceptance of free movement of labour.

How does that work?

Fundamentally you are correct. That said I suspect that the 84% had a broad range of views on the subject. So while some people probably wanted to stop all immigration, some will not view immigration as an issue at all. Equally, some will just want controls on numbers for security reasons or economic reasons.

Even though I supported remain, I was concerned about net immigration levels without control.

I suggest that in practice immigration is necessary for the functioning of the economy but not necessarily a right of abode. The challenge is to persuade the EU that there is an acceptable middle way in which immigration is controlled in return for some access to the single market.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

So funny that since this bunch of complete cobblers was posted, the Tories on the forum are still pontificating as if they have even the faintest idea what's going on.

I'm glad they all appear to have stopped giving out betting tips anyway.

What the tories on here don't acknowledge is that although May is still in power her programme is screwed. No more austerity, no more hard Brexit etc. Everything has changed and its all to play for. Its going to be a long hot summer....hopefully.;)

Moby

BobQ wrote: »

Fundamentally you are correct. That said I suspect that the 84% had a broad range of views on the subject. So while some people probably wanted to stop all immigration, some will not view immigration as an issue at all. Equally, some will just want controls on numbers for security reasons or economic reasons.

Even though I supported remain, I was concerned about net immigration levels without control.

I suggest that in practice immigration is necessary for the functioning of the economy but not necessarily a right of abode. The challenge is to persuade the EU that there is an acceptable middle way in which immigration is controlled in return for some access to the single market.

The nuances within the options are now there to consider. May was going for a hard brexit in which these options were not even going to be discussed. As Corbyn said......'isnt democracy a wonderful thing'. May now had to make the economy the central factor not freedom of movement. She thought she had shut debate on our future down. She hasnt.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

lovinituk wrote: »

Yes, you're right, perhaps I didn't word it very well. Of course I would be concerned about the individuals. What I was alluding to was that I wouldn't feel as though it was my fault that it had come to that situation.

I read it how you meant it.
Not heartless at all, but resigned to such a reality if foisted upon you.

hallmark

Moby wrote: »

What the tories on here don't acknowledge is that although May is still in power her programme is screwed. No more austerity, no more hard Brexit etc. Everything has changed and its all to play for. Its going to be a long hot summer....hopefully.;)

Yeah it's the Tories who are delusional. Not like Corbyn who still thinks he won or Emily Thornberry who thinks Labour will form the next Government.

The Tories are still in power. Brexit is still going ahead. As for "hard Brexit" that was only ever a name that the Remainers made up after they lost. We will leave the EU & the customs union (which will most likely mean leaving the single market). Who cares what you call it.

chucknorris

Moby wrote: »

The nuances within the options are now there to consider. May was going for a hard brexit in which these options were not even going to be discussed. As Corbyn said......'isnt democracy a wonderful thing'. May now had to make the economy the central factor not freedom of movement. She thought she had shut debate on our future down. She hasnt.

48% of the population voted against Brexit (incl me), so don't make the mistake of thinking that all Tory voters will be unhappy about the prospect of a softer Brexit (I'm not).