the snap general election thread

chucknorris

Arklight wrote: »

A leader like May, yes. But not a leader with any scruples.

Can you imagine Jeremy Corbyn forming a government with the DUP? Or Tim Farron, or Nicola Sturgeon. Or Macron,or Trudeau or Merkel.

This does not reflect well on the Tories.

Yes I can imagine Corbyn forming a Gov with TF and/or NC, Corbyn would have jumped at the chance if he had won enough seats to do so. In fact, betfair was trading as low as 25/1 a Labour minority Gov after all but a few of the results were in (something only possible, but also very improbable with a full on alliance or an understanding with other parties)!

EDIT: Do you seriously doubt that he would have, if he had had the opportunity to do so?

hallmark

Really loving the posts this morning, as the full extent of their miserable defeat begins to sink home with Corbyn's followers.

The bitterness is already at near-record levels

Tony Blair is the only Labour leader in 40 years to win an election. What you need is another lovely Blairite leader

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Moby wrote: »

It was different Chuck.....Corbyn was looking for peace while May is looking for political advantage to shore up her position!

Here is an interesting an pretty detailed view from a Labour member.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07/the-idea-that-jeremy-corbyn-laid-the-foundations-for-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Also May is looking to form a government just as if Labour and Conservative numbers were reversed Corbyn would look to find an alliance.

To create greater instability by refusing to try to form a government would be condemned by you too surely and would deny the democratic vote where 43% voted for her party.

hallmark

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

Also May is looking to form a government just as if Labour and Conservative numbers were reversed Corbyn would look to find an alliance.

Don't expect a reasoned argument in response. After the initial jubilation (with Corbyn & Thornberry both apparently under the impression they'd won!) it's gradually dawning on their supporters that a hard left Labour party delivered exactly the same result it's delivered everytime they've tried in the last 40 years. 2xx seats, miserable failure & another 5 years out in the wilderness :beer:

Filo25

I find it bizarre how anyone can portray this as anything other than an utter disaster for the Tories.

Teresa May called an election voluntarily on the basis that you have a massive lead in the polls and are running against an utterly unelectable unpopular leader of the opposition, in order to obtain a massive majority and potentially finish off the opposition for good.

She then proceeded to make the campaign about her strong and stable leadership while showing none of it, produced an appalling manifesto, and ran a terrible campaign and proceeded to lose seats against the same unelectable opposition while they actually gained some, she's only in position to even form a minority government due to the campaign run by Ruth Davidson in Scotland.

She's now forced to go cap in hand to the DUP for a deal, and you're being naive if you don't think others will try to use their political beliefs will be used against the Tories, and still only has a small working majority even with their support, so any contentious legislation is probably dead in this parliament.

I wouldn't give high odds on this government making it through 5 years, I wouldn't give high odds on any Brexit deal making it through parliament either, the DUP's priorities there will be different to the Tories and I wouldn't be shocked if the EU tried to exploit that in negotiations.

Its basically a complete mess and its one entirely of Theresa May's making, Labour will be hoping she stays in position for as long as possible, because she is a laughing stock right now.

chucknorris

Filo25 wrote: »

I wouldn't give high odds on this government making it through 5 years, I wouldn't give high odds on any Brexit deal making it through parliament either, the DUP's priorities there will be different to the Tories and I wouldn't be shocked if the EU tried to exploit that in negotiations.

I don't understand, if you don't think that it is likely, why wouldn't you give high odds?

hallmark

A disaster for May is not the same thing as a disaster for the Tories.

For those of us who never rated May to begin with her demise is no big deal.

The apocalyptic scenario of Corbyn as PM has been avoided. Despite the fact that his own supporters don't appear to have believed he could win it was possible that he could have. I'm not joking when I say I'm celebrating his defeat.

hallmark

Arklight wrote: »

Can you imagine Jeremy Corbyn forming a government with the DUP?

No. He'd have had to have won far more seats to do that.

I can imagine him foaming at the mouth from the sidelines for another 5 years whilst Labour moderates cry into their cornflakes though :j:j

Moby

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

Here is an interesting an pretty detailed view from a Labour member.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07/the-idea-that-jeremy-corbyn-laid-the-foundations-for-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Also May is looking to form a government just as if Labour and Conservative numbers were reversed Corbyn would look to find an alliance.

To create greater instability by refusing to try to form a government would be condemned by you too surely and would deny the democratic vote where 43% voted for her party.

I do take the point that Corbyn wanted the United Ireland solution and supported the aims of Sinn Fein but there is huge stretch from that to being a terrorist sympathiser. That is wrong and is a smear.

Moby

The great thing about this result is that a hard brexit is now dead in the water. May won't get such legislation through the Commons!