the snap general election thread

buglawton

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Now we are hearing Corbyns views. Wonder if he proposes nationalising their investments in the UK. Qatar has significant amounts tied up, not just the Saudis. Given the Saudi's invested and built the London Gateway port facility. Makes you wonder where JC's foreign policy could take us. Other than complete isolation.

London to twin with Pyongyang?

Joe_Horner

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Did May have a majority at the dissolution of Parliament?

Does May have a majority now on her own?

Her authority is in tatters, she told the public to trust her, and the public said no.

It was a little worse than that really.

She didn't just ask the country to "trust her", she made it very clear indeed that she was calling the election to get an increased mandate - effectively to "trust her MORE" and the country failed to give her one in her own name at all.

Quite apart from the lack of clear mandate, that shows she's completely out of touch with what the country wants because she wouldn't have called it if she didn't genuinely believe she'd get a Maggie style majority (or at least close).

That shows a total inability to read the situation, not to mention a level of arrogance, which is completely at odds with negotiating anything with anyone.

PixelPound

economic wrote: »

yes next 5 years will be crucial. i think there will be even mre young disgruntled voters by that time wanting change and will vote labour so my bet is labour will win even under corbyn.

this means over the next few years is a good time to reduce exposure to uk. i am personally more invested in the US now.

The youth vote came out because they didn't at the referendum and the response to their disgust was pointing out the fact that many didn't vote. They have made a big push and if it is seen as that still resulted in 5 more years of Tory rule, then next time I see a reversal to normal form and apathy rule.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Joe_Horner wrote: »

... she wouldn't have called it if she didn't genuinely believe she'd get a Maggie style majority (or at least close).

That shows a total inability to read the situation, not to mention a level of arrogance, which is completely at odds with negotiating anything with anyone.

This post had some sense but you lost it when you started making it up. .

TM may or may not be capable of negotiating Brexit - looks like we will find out whether we like it or not.

The premise that she misjudged calling the election, based on the facts before she did, don't add up. She failed to produce policies or a campaign to win better. The polls however informed a massive lead to do just what she hoped.

What is more surprising is how enough people stuck by her when Labour ran a much better campaign. Some must think she is a better prospect than Corbyn (regardless of whether they are right).

chucknorris

Joe_Horner wrote: »

It was a little worse than that really.

She didn't just ask the country to "trust her", she made it very clear indeed that she was calling the election to get an increased mandate - effectively to "trust her MORE" and the country failed to give her one in her own name at all.

Quite apart from the lack of clear mandate, that shows she's completely out of touch with what the country wants because she wouldn't have called it if she didn't genuinely believe she'd get a Maggie style majority (or at least close).

That shows a total inability to read the situation, not to mention a level of arrogance, which is completely at odds with negotiating anything with anyone.

At the time that she called the election, there was good reason to anticipate an increase in the Tory majority. But I believe that they didn't get it because of such an awful campaign, not because the probability of a larger majority wasn't there. So I don't think that she showed that she was out of touch because she simply called the election, although if you had claimed that she was out of touch because of the awful campaign that was ran, I would find it difficult to argue against that.

But what what I would say about calling the election, is that it was a huge gamble, things can go wrong (and they did). IMO she took too much of a risk, and at bloody awful time to do so, just before Brexit negotiations commence, a very poor performance.

But the good news is that the Tory party might have got a much needed 'wake up call' without paying the full price (losing an election).

So I am just as condemning of her as you, but for slightly different reasons.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

nic_c wrote: »

The youth vote came out because they didn't at the referendum and the response to their disgust was pointing out the fact that many didn't vote. They have made a big push and if it is seen as that still resulted in 5 more years of Tory rule, then next time I see a reversal to normal form and apathy rule.

Predicting the next 5 years is ambitious stuff when few could have called this election.

We have a lot of uncertainties:-
- Brexit
- will DUP alliance endure
- will more than 3 Tory MPs step down during the term and those seats change hands at a by-election?
- will our economy flounder or do OK
- will Corbyn be healthy enough to be PM until 75
- who will take over from May as many expect ahead of next time

A week is a long time in politics .... brexit will feel like five years in two.

chucknorris

economic wrote: »

this means over the next few years is a good time to reduce exposure to uk. i am personally more invested in the US now.

This is something that I am going to start considering, merely increasing corporation tax to 26%, compared to the Tory party lowering it to 17% is going to affect dividend income significantly. Not to mention the capital value hit that shares will take due to a labour win.

hallmark

steampowered wrote: »

The point about minority governments is that the government can't get things through parliament unless it gets the support of other parties, and even the tiniest backbench rebellions will be enough to defeat it on any given vote.

You can get that the 318 Tory MPs are a diverse bunch - many Brexiteers, but many Remainers too - many of them are going to be prepared to rebel on key votes.

That's why it's so good that Labour has promised to support Brexit

It would be most amusing & unwise of them if they backtracked on that commitment to try to force another election. They would then have to face the electorate with their Remain colours shown as they truly are & would get an even bigger spanking

Arklight

The Tories' new political allies:

https://youtu.be/X0NHHiQNKBQ



Well this is probably quite a good match, because if Theresa has any arms left after selling them to Saudi Arabia then she can sell the left overs to the Red Hand Commandos.

Thrugelmir

Arklight wrote: »

The Tories' new political allies:

https://youtu.be/X0NHHiQNKBQ



Well this is probably quite a good match, because if Theresa has any arms left after selling them to Saudi Arabia then she can sell the left overs to the Red Hand Commandos.

Time for the ignore button. :cool: