the snap general election thread

setmefree2

antrobus wrote: »

According to Polly Toynbee, someone has already thought of that one;:)

Labour canvassers are reassuring voters there’s not a snowball’s hope in hell that Corbyn could ever be prime minister, so it’s safe to vote for well-liked local Labour MPs. Every Labour seat needs saving in any way possible...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/26/labour-sandbags-survive-yory-tidal-wave-tactical-voting-progressive-alliances

I don't know how that will play out in practice, voters might well wonder what !!!!!! is going on.

Huuummmmm - that's a bit like - all the Leavers who voted Leave thinking it wouldn't actually happen -isn't it? How did that work out for them?

If you don't want a Corbyn government don't vote Labour.

setmefree2

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I really think traditional right vs left ideas are becoming more outdated by the day. Plenty of otherwise lefty folk oppose abortion. Plenty of otherwise rightwing types support gay marriage. The other classic working class trait that the sneering Guardianistas despair of is their unwavering loyalty to the monarchy. Modern society is more complex than the old two party system can easily accommodate.

The labour party seems to be full of middle class virtue signallers - that is all the Guardian is - a virtue signal for snowflakes. The Labour Party has long stopped having anything to do with the working classes.

davidwood123

setmefree2 wrote: »

The labour party seems to be full of middle class virtue signallers - that is all the Guardian is - a virtue signal for snowflakes. The Labour Party has long stopped having anything to do with the working classes.

Spot on. I saw this comment online yesterday and it was bang on.

'' Labour and the Liberal ''Democrats'' now appeal to the guilty liberals ( who gush about diversity but never live amongst it ) Worry about Brexit because it may cause them to pay more on their Tuscan villas, three holidays a year or make it harder for them to find cheap foreign domestic staff.
They aren't worried about lack of jobs, low wages, lack of housing, school places or doctors appointments ( due to uncontrolled mass immigration ) ''

Filo25

Actually support for Labour and the Tories seems to be far more correlated with age than class these days.

antrobus

setmefree2 wrote: »

The labour party seems to be full of middle class virtue signallers - that is all the Guardian is - a virtue signal for snowflakes. The Labour Party has long stopped having anything to do with the working classes.

Here is some chap (senior director at the public relations firm Edelman, and a former Labour pollster) writing for the Grauniad back in February.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/25/wings-labour-blame-electoral-collapse

This is what he says;

Over the last year I have been running focus groups for various parts of the Labour movement with warehouse pickers, scaffolders, care workers and check-out assistants. The disdain they have for Corbyn is remarkable. There is no sense that he is on their side, or has any of the capabilities they expect of a prime minister.

And this;

The nightmare for Labour is that May has clocked the opportunity to win these voters. ...May’s modernisation aims to show the Tories aren’t just a party of toffs. Her rhetoric is succeeding, marginalising Ukip and threatening catastrophe for Labour.

It might be that the Maybot knows exactly what she is doing.

Mistermeaner

so it would actually me more in labours interest to f-up the NHS completely

antrobus

Electoral Calculus have updated their predicition to include the latest polls.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

They now have a Conservative majority of 170. (That's based on a 22% lead.)

That's more like 1935 than 1983.

BobQ

WengerIn wrote: »

Are there many well liked local MPs? I've never even mt my MP to know if I like him.

I imagine that Corbyn is a well liked MP if by that you mean a good constituency MP.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

I imagine that Corbyn is a well liked MP if by that you mean a good constituency MP.

Being party leader may have portrayed him in a different light though. One thing at a local level. Another at national or international. His rebellious attitude when voting over the years shows his detachment from mainstream views.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Did they become motivated by UKIP to vote and now Britain is leaving the EU there is no longer a need to vote?

The job isn't finished one suspects. As the issues that influenced many people are yet unresolved. The rhetoric emanating from Brussels isn't particularly helpful either.