the snap general election thread

LHW99

Actually support for Labour and the Tories seems to be far more correlated with age than class these days.

Perhaps alsong the lines of the old saying

Vote Tory when young, no heart - Vote Labour when old, no head!

Filo25

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 45% (-3)
LAB: 29% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
UKIP: 7% (+2)

(via YouGov)

Crashy_Time

vivatifosi wrote: »

The polls on Sky yesterday also showed a huge swing to the Tories in Wales, with their regaining more seats that at any time since before the Labour movement.

Same polls that said Trump was a busted flush and Brexit wouldn`t happen?

Filo25

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Same polls that said Trump was a busted flush and Brexit wouldn`t happen?

Both Brexit and the US Presidential election were too close to call according to the polls, that isn't really the case for the current election campaign.

Still 6 weeks to go though so plenty can change.

WengerIn

BobQ wrote: »

I imagine that Corbyn is a well liked MP if by that you mean a good constituency MP.

I was responding to an earlier poster who was talking about local campaigns basically saying, "Look we all know Corbyn is an idiot but I'm a decent person. Please vote for me and I'll be here to represent you when this all blows over".

I've worked plenty of working class jobs in my life, in bank back offices, in shops, warehouses, restaurants, pubs and hotels and I think I have a reasonable idea about what concerns 'working class' people, by which I really mean low income earners because class is a bit of a red herring, and frankly it's much the same as the middle class plus more concern over immigration. Lower earners are, if anything, even less likely than the middle class to have faith in Government because they are failed by it more often, largely because they have more contact with it.

There is a huge latent working class vote that is going to deliver a landslide to someone at some point.

gfplux

Politics was all about class after the Second World War. A blue collar worker voted Labour and a white collar worker voted Tory.
Since that time I think everyone has slowly moved to vote for the Party that communicates the best about the issues that concern them.
I say communicate the best.
Just one example. A low income family with children "might" consider the NHS or Education to be a major issue for them. Whichever party tells the best story might get the family vote.
From a distance I read (correctly or not) that the NHS and Education have some big issues of under funding or efficiency but the Labour Party doesn't seem to be championing these issues.
It seems rather that the Torys (who are presently in charge of these "issues") is not blamed.
Very curious.

Fella

gfplux wrote: »

It seems rather that the Torys (who are presently in charge of these "issues") is not blamed.
Very curious.

Not really, the public more or less understand that the UK doesn't have an infinite amount of money to spend & no easy way to raise more. What the Tories are offering may not be much fun but it's seen as viable.

Labour, even before Corbyn, were viewed as disastrous economically. His insane and unfunded spending suggestions have only reinforced that percetption.

antrobus

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Same polls that said Trump was a busted flush and Brexit wouldn`t happen?

No, they are different polls. Obviously.:)

Besides, if the US presidential polls underestimated the support for the (apparently) right-wing Mr Trump, and the UK referendum polls underestimated the support for the (apparently) right-wing option of Brexit, would not that mean the Conservative Party should be very happy indeed?

davomcdave

gfplux wrote: »

Politics was all about class after the Second World War. A blue collar worker voted Labour and a white collar worker voted Tory.
Since that time I think everyone has slowly moved to vote for the Party that communicates the best about the issues that concern them.
I say communicate the best.
Just one example. A low income family with children "might" consider the NHS or Education to be a major issue for them. Whichever party tells the best story might get the family vote.
From a distance I read (correctly or not) that the NHS and Education have some big issues of under funding or efficiency but the Labour Party doesn't seem to be championing these issues.
It seems rather that the Torys (who are presently in charge of these "issues") is not blamed.
Very curious.

That can't be true because there were vastly more working class people than middle class.

Alf Garnett was never going to be a Labour voter.

stockton_2

davomcdave wrote: »

That can't be true because there were vastly more working class people than middle class.

Alf Garnett was never going to be a Labour voter.

It is true that there were always exceptions. Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn, for example, was typical of many middle class people who identified with Labour.
There were many "Blue collar workers who identified with the tories.

But in general there were huge areas of the country that were known as "Heartlands" of Labour and Conservative support. Hence the old saying that you could put up a dog for election in certain areas and as long as it wore the right colours it would be elected.