the snap general election thread

setmefree2

FWIW - there is no actual evidence that nurses use food banks.

michaels

Chrysalis wrote: »

Why would work no longer pay?

Their living costs would be reduced. Especially transportation to and from work.
Even today a min wage job provides much more income than the state provides on benefits. This is before the upcoming push for people to get the living wage.

Now if you talking about the rich who got large savings, (the living of capital), are you trying to say someone earning 200k a year paying say 60% tax would not consider working 80k a year worthwhile. then why do people work for much less?

Again you looking at only the self reward aspect, when I work I dont just see it as what I get out of it, the fact I feel good about contributing to the country as well.

Society is messed up, people need to realise its not just about #1.

Also in previous periods of higher income taxation we actually had higher employment rates amongst the lower classes. The argument is similar to the one that claimed introducing a min wage would lose jobs, trying to put fear into people that if this or that happens its bad.

You need to go back to the 1970s to find a period when income taxes as a share of gdp were higher. We are not exactly starting from a low base when proposing tax increases.

I care about how much I earn not how much everyone else does. Making those richer than me poorer whilst leaving me where I am is not deaireable in my book but is exactly what Labour policies intend to bring about.

setmefree2

fun4everyone wrote: »

It's the worst. At least they don't have the influence they once did.

Instead MSE forums are where the tory vote breeds?

Don't we all look at the front pages still? On Sky/ Bbc 10.30? on the Bbc website?

fun4everyone

setmefree2 wrote: »

Don't we all look at the front pages still? On Sky/ Bbc 10.30? on the Bbc website?

BBC defo has mega influence.

Sky News a fair bit but nothing near the BBC.

Newspaper front pages, they do get about but I don't think anywhere near the same influence as for example 1992.

Could be wrong, just an opinion. The internet really ate into a lot of newspaper readership though.

michaels

fun4everyone wrote: »

Yeah mate take that Nurse from question time, like all public sector workers her pay rises have been capped at 1% since 2009. Inflation alone is pushing 3% this year. Thats a total joke. How do you expect these people to live? Food banks? Meanwhile MPs get fat rises.

Did I pass a value judgement or just point out that if you put the same money in but spend more or salaries then you get less 'output' out?

fun4everyone

michaels wrote: »

if you put the same money in but spend more or salaries then you get less 'output' out?

If your workers cant live you get less output than if they can ldo

Arklight

The Tories aren't going to do anything to the NHS other than sell it off. Probably to the lowest bidder.

Right I'm off to East Sussex to help defend a marginal seat. Whatever happens tonight it'll be a relief that this is all over. With the locals and the election back go back for weeks, I am knackered.

Fwiw, no I don't think Labour are going to win. Jeremy has done an almost superhuman job turning around the smear and lies constantly shat all over him by the Tory owned media over the last two years, but there are too many closed minds. The cover of the Sun says it all. If that's your newspaper of choice, I hope you are proud of yourself.

Whatever, when I, along with everyone else, is forced to watch the horror show that Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre have in mind for the UK over the next five years, at least I can say I tried.

For the very small minority of people reading this forum who aren't UKIP or Tory supporters, please go out today and vote. Every one really does count. It isn't pointless and a growing anti Tory vote will pay off in five years time no matter how blue your constituency.

We can add 5000 voters this time, and 5000 voters next time, don't stay at home today and leave us trying to add 10,000 voters in five years.

You can use this site to vote tactically and make sure your vote has the biggest impact.

https://www.tactical2017.com/

Conrad

Joeskeppi wrote: »

It's aimed at morons and it works.

I've landed in the same place as I did after brexit. I'm not as fussed about who wins but more fussed that democracy is stupid because we allow anyone who is capable of holding a crayon and buying a copy of the daily mail a say it matters

I've been hanging around left wing sites and the level of populist ignorance in the left is breathtaking.

The most basic of issues such as who the key people around Corbyn are other than Gardener, Abbott and MaCdonald and no one knows and yet they think these total strangers without experience, particularly in the business world, know how to run this country.

It's freightening.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Like I said it's all about me, me, me isn't it!

So the LP try to buy my vote by promising to possibly write off £100k of my kids student loans and I still won't vote for them.

And that makes ME a bad person.

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

FWIW - there is no actual evidence that nurses use food banks.

Plenty of evidence Germany has a growing poverty and inequality problem, and yet this is ignored by the left. They. truly think Corbyn will wave a wand and wages will rise, the homeless he talks of will get a semi and taps will flow with Unicorns and rainbows.

It's so bloody infantile

Try asking youngsters about Unions in number ten and the implications for strikes. They think you're mad