the snap general election thread

setmefree2

Filo25 wrote: »

Haven't seen full numbers or comparatives yet but Surveymonkey supposedly have a large sample (11k) poll out showing Tories 42 to Labour 38.

None of this is looking for the Cons.

What a mess.

Filo25

setmefree2 wrote: »

None of this is looking for the Cons.

What a mess.

Well you can pretty much guarantee that ICM and Comres will look a lot stronger for the Conservatives from what we have seen recently.

mayonnaise

setmefree2 wrote: »

Well that's a hung parliament?

Bye bye Pound.

When the brexit vote trashed the Pound it was seen as a wonderful thing by the usual suspects on here.

Arklight

setmefree2 wrote: »

Except it's true. As i and many others pointed out on the Corbynomics thread.

Corbyn McDonnell and Abbott supported the Republician cause, they supported the "armed struggle". They supported Hamas.

And they hated the "British State"

You're deluded mate.

You think your guys are saints - they're not- they're sinners.

I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could vote for them.

I have no idea why anyone in their right mind could believe that.


Jeremy Corbyn has stood against terror and voted against illegal military action more times than Theresa May has sold arms to Saudi Arabia, cosied up to tyrants, and held hands with Donald Trump, and that's a lot.


As far as hating the British State - there is a giant difference between beng patriotic towards your country and critical of the goverment.

Arklight

mayonnaise wrote: »

When the brexit vote trashed the Pound it was seen as a wonderful thing by the usual suspects on here.

That was when the pound was trashed by the power of xenophobia and jingoism.


That was a good thing because angry older men wearing stripy blazers, were happy about it.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

What would a Corbyn Govt have done about Kosovo or Ivory Coast, or when Gadhafi was promising to flatten / gas Benghazi?


Had a chat over Fair Trade Falafel whilst plaster rained down from their hotel ceiling in Belgrade? Remember the EU and UN did an awful lot of chatting whilst people were being murdered in Kosovo.

Based on the precedent they set in Northern Ireland, they'd probably have sorted it out.

IveSeenTheLight

Filo25 wrote: »

Those numbers would be a very hung parliament!

Impossible for either Tories or Labour to get over the line without at least tacit support form multiple parties.

I think Unionists have 10 at present, certainly vulnerable to Sinn Fein in Fermanagh and South Tyrone, and the Alliance could pick up East Belfast, although I'm not exactly close to politics back in the land of my birth these days!

Just remember its one poll.
The poll of polls is showing a Conservative majority

Filo25

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Just remember its one poll.
The poll of polls is showing a Conservative majority

Its not even a poll, just their model, which looks like a fair outlier compared to the others, that doesn't mean its wrong, just that it should be treated with caution imho.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Arklight wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn has stood against terror ...

Oh - is that why he voted against every piece of terror legislation brought during his time.

1984 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Outlawed NI terror groups.
1985 Updating the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974: Gave emergency powers to police forces to quiz terror suspects travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain
1989 Elected Authorities (Northern Ireland) Act 1989: Law that requires candidates for election in local and Northern Ireland Assembly to declare they will never support terrorism
1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Banned support for the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army
1989 Security Service Act: Established legal basis of the UK Security Service for the first time – giving security services the function of protecting the UK from terrorism
1991 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions): Allowed police to search sites for weapons and arms
1996 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act: Banned possession of items for terrorists
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing

And why he often brings into doubt / won't explicitly endorse the right of the police to take out a terrorist actually killing innocent people?

I'll grant you he doesn't like terror - but has hardly stood against it?

phillw

steampowered wrote: »

Regardless of your political opinions and your view on Corbyn, everyone should have the decency and the honesty to stick to the facts - without hysterical exaggeration.

But Theresa May and Boris Johnson wouldn't have anything to say. I can't believe I'm not going to be voting conservative after all these years, but their actions have caused too much damage to the country already.

Conrad wrote: »

What would a Corbyn Govt have done about Kosovo or Ivory Coast,

We went into Kosovo because of the US, nothing to do with our own politicians. We did nothing about Bosnia. The terror attacks are a direct result of our pandering to America. If Corbyn had been in power in 2001 then none of the recent attacks in the UK would have happened.

Theresa May and Boris Johnson will make it worse. They both want to push the clock back to the times when England sent in gunships to quieten down the natives.