the snap general election thread

.string.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Where does Spain raise it's taxation revenue from? Having cheap wine is one matter. Something else will be relatively more expensive.

Speaking for myself, that's a bit beyond my interest horizon; income taxation is as shown below;; inheritance is low (for offspring). So presumably old money gets older and bigger. Corbyn wouldn't like it.

There is the most enormous black economy and this does not help at all.

Tourism - dependency on UK punters?


Current income tax ra8tes
From (euros) Up to (euros) Tax Rate
€12.450 €20.200 24%
€20.200 €35.200 30%
€35.200 €60.000 37%
€60.000 & Above 45%

Ask Real Madrid how they can afford themselves.

Corruption can be rife or quasi corruption - the police in this part of Spain take a cut of the tickets they issue for example.

If they can charge a foreigner more than the locals they will. (*)

Their health service is brilliant (here in Mallorca that is).

The Spanish are nice people but change into werewolves when they drive cars.

(*) -. My jaundiced attitude -- yes probably.

michaels

I see the Tories are doing the 'policy disagreement' tactic employed so successfully by labour to get the news agenda on their topic (taxation) today. Not sure they will play it as well as Labour have so far in the campaign though.

I particularly liked what Labour did with Trident where one group of labour supporters believe the official party line (yes to renewal) and another group of labour supporters realise that this commitment will be immediately dropped once Corbyn instigates a 'policy review' immediately after taking power - and the press lapped it up as a 'policy disagreement' and kept the story in the limelight for at least one news day agenda.

steampowered

A very selective statement by the Tories today - saying they are not planning income tax rises. They seem to have dropped the reference to not increasing national insurance which was in the last manifesto (a promise which was nearly broken in the last budget).

That almost certainly means national insurance will be going up in the next budget if the Tories win.

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

Current income tax ra8tes
From (euros) Up to (euros) Tax Rate
€12.450 €20.200 24%
€20.200 €35.200 30%
€35.200 €60.000 37%

I was thinking more of an 8% transfer tax on property for example. Hardly surprising that apartments are the preferred choice of many. One size doesn't fit all.

michaels

steampowered wrote: »

A very selective statement by the Tories today - saying they are not planning income tax rises. They seem to have dropped the reference to not increasing national insurance which was in the last manifesto (a promise which was nearly broken in the last budget).

That almost certainly means national insurance will be going up in the next budget if the Tories win.

I agree, it will almost certainly be going up for those who are claiming to be self employed in order to pay less tax overall - as was proposed in the budget. About time too.

Still a decent opposition makes political capital from a proposal to make the tax system fairer.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Please don't shoot me down in flames for this.
I know it's the Daily Mail.
But the sentiment I completely agree with; Tv and indeed British media in general are making a mockery of this election.

Baying audiences during broadcast debates, hectoring TV interviewers and panicking politicians terrified of being exposed for not having perfect recall of the smallest minutiae of their party’s policies.
How undignified. How un-British. What a travesty of a General Election!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4567986/PETER-OBORNE-TV-s-making-travesty-election.html


Having a large hand in polarizing the country throughout the whole referendum and Brexit campaign so far, the newspapers are doing their bit in what amounts to no more than point-scoring with the GE too.
In case you needed it, here's a list from the Guar dian of who is supporting whom:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/03/which-parties-are-the-uk-press-backing-in-the-general-election


Why oh why can we not have more sensible, reasoned and informed coverage? Why must it almost always be extremist, coercive or negatively-biased and so often be based on the most liberal possible interpretation of fact? This is too frequently far removed from reporting, it has too often become no more than a sales pitch for the publisher whether it be C4 with Paxman or the sensationalist and often misleading headlines of most of our newspapers.


Coverage of elections is not like this in most other countries.

Please can ours return to being more balanced and informative and leave the sensationalism where it belongs, with the tabloids?

steampowered

michaels wrote: »

I agree, it will almost certainly be going up for those who are claiming to be self employed in order to pay less tax overall - as was proposed in the budget. About time too.

Still a decent opposition makes political capital from a proposal to make the tax system fairer.

I'd say it is likely to be going up for employers/employees too. No reference to NI or employment taxes in any of the recent interviews, and there is history. National insurance rises have been a favoured tax for the Conservative party for the past few years - after all, why tax profits when you can tax jobs instead?

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Where does Spain raise it's taxation revenue from? Having cheap wine is one matter. Something else will be relatively more expensive.

Not sure we have anything to learn from the Spanish economy?

The post I was responding to appeared to imply that the price of wine had gone up dramatically for reasons other than the real major cause.

Should we tax alcohol like smoking in terms of its impact on h although costs - that is a debate worth having post-election!

Filo25

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (-2)
LAB: 37% (+2)
LDEM: 6% (-1)
UKIP: 5% (-)
GRN: 2% (-)

(via @OpiniumResearch / 30 - 31 May)

setmefree2

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

If you have something in the manifesto that strikes the wrong cord, is it so wrong to be the bigger person and change it? If you walk across grassland and suddenly realise you are walking into a marsh, would you keep going just because you had made that decision?

I personally admire anyone that has the balls to admit they have made a mistake and correct that mistake.

What I do not like is people that try to rewrite history. Corbyn is now trying to say he helped bring about peace in NI and helped in the negotiations. In actual fact he delayed the political agreement by enabling the IRA, he was on the board of a magazine that applauded the Brighton Bombing and said Margaret Thatcher was a legitimate target, and he voted against the Good Friday agreement.

It will be a sad day if Corbyn comes to power, and we would certainly be the laughing stock of Europe if not the world, especially when he starts giving away all our own money as an apology for slavery, when we were at the forefront of the abolition of slavery.

Someone should ask him if he believes in Irish unity - he clearly does and thought bombing and bulletts were the way to achieve it.

He's a liar.