the snap general election thread

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Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

If you have something in the manifesto that strikes the wrong cord, is it so wrong to be the bigger person and change it? If you walk across grassland and suddenly realise you are walking into a marsh, would you keep going just because you had made that decision?

I personally admire anyone that has the balls to admit they have made a mistake and correct that mistake.

The Tories presumably thought the policy was a good one yet it didn't survive 5 minutes of media whining.

Yes politicians should listen and be willing to correct mistakes but they should also have some courage in their convictions.

There's a balance. The Tories are struggling to find it.

gfplux

kinger101 wrote: »

May certainly did better than she did on Paxman, but I wouldn't say it was a good performance. Had she actually wanted a proper debate, she could have attacked Labour on their greatest weaknesses - their spending record and inability to form a cabinet.

Had the Trident question not come up, Corybn's performance would have been been much better. I don't know why he can't just bring himself to say he might push the button as a final resort. His response on zero-hours contracts was poor as well. He didn't understand that some workers (particularly students) don't want fixed hours.

Given the turnaround in his performance, I'm wondering if he's been taking modafanil. He showed a lot more enthusiasm, and tried to stick to core issues that interest voters.

I agree with the general view here.
However I actually thought the Torys in the audience were the winners. The questions to Corbyn were almost all tough yesterday those towards May almost allowed her to spend much of the time answering every easy (Brexit) question and almost non on the NHS, Education, police numbers, uncosted Plans and social care. She got an easy ride and she did well and Corbyn was not on his top game and wilted under pressure.
Interesting times.

kinger101

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

You are right the abscence of a cap in the plan was a fundamental omission and the implementation had not been properly described or even possibly thought through.

But if say Labour see through a policy for which say a rise in corporation tax was supposed to fund but doesn't - will that be a U-turn because they have to fund by borrowing or just a failure.

Or will spending so much on trident which you would never use or having a review of a manifesto commitment in the same parliamentary term as you said it was a commitment be a u-turn?

None of the parties are perfect IMHO.

No party is ever perfect. My comments on May were not an endorsement on Corbyn. Just a clarification in why May in fact did make a U-turn. The cap wasn't omitted from the manifesto by accident. There wasn't going to be one until May crumbled. She's an appalling leader. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems all have weaker leaders than 2015.

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

I agree with the general view here.
However I actually thought the Torys in the audience were the winners. The questions to Corbyn were almost all tough yesterday those towards May almost allowed her to spend much of the time answering every easy (Brexit) question and almost non on the NHS, Education, police numbers, uncosted Plans and social care. She got an easy ride and she did well and Corbyn was not on his top game and wilted under pressure.
Interesting times.

I thought the nurse took her to task, the 'no magic money tree' cliche response ain't going to go down well to a public service worker especially from someone who has a hedge fund manager husband.:rotfl:
May is utterly charmless, she has a hunted look in her eyes, a mad cackle of a laugh, her posture is awful, she dresses like a fifties throwback and she couldn't wait to get away. People weren't really aware of this prior to the election. She had been exposed and is damaged whatever the result.

kinger101

Moby wrote: »

I thought the nurse took her to task, the 'no magic money tree' cliche response ain't going to go down well to a public service worker especially from someone who has a hedge fund manager husband.:rotfl:
May is utterly charmless, she has a hunted look in her eyes, a mad cackle of a laugh, her posture is awful, she dresses like a fifties throwback and she couldn't wait to get away. People weren't really aware of this prior to the election. She had been exposed and is damaged whatever the result.

http://www.careeraddict.com/top-5-countries-with-the-highest-paid-salaries-for-nurses

Let's end the myth that nurses are badly paid. Yes, they do an essential job, but so do bin men.

I can't believe Dimbleby mentioned the fake news story (debunked on Radio 4's More or Less) about nurses going to food banks.

Moby

kinger101 wrote: »

http://www.careeraddict.com/top-5-countries-with-the-highest-paid-salaries-for-nurses

Let's end the myth that nurses are badly paid. Yes, they do an essential job, but so do bin men.

I can't believe Dimbleby mentioned the fake news story (debunked on Radio 4's More or Less) about nurses going to food banks.

I read your source and note as is my experience it says, things are different once nurses reach the higher levels. The problem is most don't, they leave and are replaced by sessional staff. There is so much staff churn in public services. It has to change.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

kinger101 wrote: »

No party is ever perfect. My comments on May were not an endorsement on Corbyn. Just a clarification in why May in fact did make a U-turn. The cap wasn't omitted from the manifesto by accident. There wasn't going to be one until May crumbled. She's an appalling leader. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems all have weaker leaders than 2015.

As stated it was a fundamental omission not accidental. It is though an improvement to have a cap. Time to get over that one.

I am sure no one had a plan at 18 they didn't amend during their life through learning or clearer vision or events. Not listening or changing would be more scary, arrogant and ultimately flawed.

More things remain or rather left to deal with.

BobQ

setmefree2 wrote: »

Personally I think Trump made a great case for pulling out of the Paris deal. Why should China be able to carry on polluting - it is the biggest polluter in the world? Why does China get away with everything from currency manipulation to theft of intellectual property? Why should the US, who has enough poor of its own, foot the bill - why can't Germany, France, Russia, etc stump up more.

Tell me this - who put Merkel in charge?

Hats off to TM.

Who is the biggest polluter in the world per Capita? A clue China is about a third of its pollution levels. If you still cannot guess its between Canada and Mexico on a map.

BobQ

setmefree2 wrote: »

FWIW the LP is trying to raise £30 billion from companies - that's £30 billion from Corporate profits -one of the biggest tax increases we've EVER known - currently we raise £50 to £60 billion from CT - so they are trying to more than double the take from profits - they've done no homework on the effect of this.

it's not impossible that they'll get this but on the other hand

#ByeByeJobs

60 is not more than double 30 so you exaggerate for effect.

Fact is they are still only raising it to that of an average developed economy and to less that in was in 2010. Its hardly the swingeing socialism you pretend is it?

And as you say they may actually do it.

I do have doubts about Corbyn but he is not the demon that your Daily Mail and Express readers are led to believe. I do wonder if this will be the last election in which the print media have any influence.

.string.

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

So why do you think the price has gone up?
Did you find a "fact" that could be twisted to your purpose

Here is why wine is more expensive.

Cheers.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wine-price-rise-production-close-20-year-low-a7373461.html%3Famp

Yes, it depends on what wine you get and where it comes from, how much tax you pay etc, not just the currency issue.

I'm in Spain at the moment, today planning a nice farewell Steak and Chips meal for my family here before we return to the UK from our trip. I bought wine today, the white wine (el Coto) is normally less than 5 Euro for a bottle (actually it was on special and I paid less than 2 Euro). It's not a super wind but it's fine and enjoyable. Had I splurged out I would have paid 7 to 9 Euros, but that's starting to get into the lazy territory of the wine snob). I have red wine already but had I bought some I would have paid somewhere between 5 and 7.5 Euro (I love my red wine).

So add a currency variant on that and you still have reasonably priced wine.

The point is that shops will charge what they can get away with.

So don't panic Hamish, keep enjoying your tipple and look for value for money.