the snap general election thread

posh*spice

Moby wrote: »

and they are still cocking it up

We'll see....

Thrugelmir

Fella wrote: »

Dianne Abbott has given another interview that even the Independent (usually kind to Labour) are calling a car crash, regarding Corbyn & her own support of the IRA. Can't have helped:

For the Guardian to publish this shows what they think of Abbott.

Angry Amber v Dozy Diane: conscious meets unconscious on Marr

Andrew Marr really, really didn’t want to politicise the Manchester terror attack. It was much too soon, feelings were still raw and families were grieving - or so he said. But, having both the home secretary and the shadow home secretary on his Sunday morning show, the topic was bound to come up.

First on was a rather sleepy looking Diane Abbott. Either she had had a very late night or she had accidentally swallowed a handful of horse tranquilisers as she could barely keep her eyes open. “People don’t seem to trust you to keep the country safe,” Marr observed, before prodding her to make sure she was actually awake. “Can you tell me why you think you would be a good home secretary?”

Dozy Diane struggled to engage her brain. She knew her synapses were somewhere close to hand; she just couldn’t get them to connect. Then it came to her. She had done some graduate work experience in the Home Office the best part of 40 years ago. Knowing where the toilets and the photocopiers were situated could save her valuable minutes on her first day in the department as home secretary.

Full piece

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/may/28/andrew-marr-diane-abbott-amber-rudd-home-secretary

kinger101

Thrugelmir wrote: »

For the Guardian to publish this shows what they think of Abbott.



Full piece

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/may/28/andrew-marr-diane-abbott-amber-rudd-home-secretary

She should have been fired long ago for her racist views.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Anyone in the Labour party seriously thought through the impact of a minimum wage of £10 per hour by 2020?

That's a 33.33% increase in 3 years, plus related employers national insurance and pension contributions as well.

Guaranteeing a decent wage .................

people across the United Kingdom now receive a minimum of £7.50 an hour. A new Conservative government will continue to increase the National Living Wage to 60 per cent of median earnings by 2020 and then by the rate of median earnings, so that people who are on the lowest pay benefit from the same improvements in earnings as higher paid workers.

That is an uncosted proposal.............

Conrad

IFS saying Labours corporation tax will have costs including falling wages and forcing firms to off shore to Ireland etc.

Corbyns politics are so under-grad.

GreatApe

Minimum wage should be £10 today and increase in line with average earnings. As someone on a lot more than min wage I know and accept that I will likely have to pay a bit more for the goods and services I buy and that is acceptable.

The government would also save some money in lower benefit payments. So while we will pay more for goods and services we will pay less taxes.

GreatApe

Moby wrote: »

I think the 'strong and stable' mantra is turning into a chain around her neck. She looks decidedly flakey to me, almost on the verge of tears. She lacks charm, flexibility and diplomacy skills. Her answers are rehearsed and she talks in generalities. I fear we could end up walking away with no deal on brexit because of her temperament.

Conrad wrote: »

IFS saying Labours corporation tax will have costs including falling wages and forcing firms to off shore to Ireland etc.

Corbyns politics are so under-grad.

Perhaps Corporation tax should be reduced to 5%. Dividend tax increased to 25%. Capital gains tax increased to 25% and removal of the annual CGT allowance with maybe a lifetime £50k CGT allowance.

Or even take corporation tax to 0% and have a 30% dividend and CGT

Enterprise_1701C

GreatApe wrote: »

Minimum wage should be £10 today and increase in line with average earnings. As someone on a lot more than min wage I know and accept that I will likely have to pay a bit more for the goods and services I buy and that is acceptable.

The government would also save some money in lower benefit payments. So while we will pay more for goods and services we will pay less taxes.

So you want to put a lot of small (and large) companies out of business, increase the cost of living with inflation increasing further, increase interest rates, etc etc

Also, this would create an even larger black market for people working for cash, mainly fed by people such as eastern Europeans and the such that seem to live about 20 people to the house and have no intention of contributing to life here.

michaels

GreatApe wrote: »

Minimum wage should be £10 today and increase in line with average earnings. As someone on a lot more than min wage I know and accept that I will likely have to pay a bit more for the goods and services I buy and that is acceptable.

The government would also save some money in lower benefit payments. So while we will pay more for goods and services we will pay less taxes.

In France they make employing people very expensive and accept the 10% unemployment that results. Doesn't seem to help with social cohesion though.

I also have a big problem with the 'national' bit, 300 quid a week buys a very different lifestyle in Londonderry than it does in London.

kabayiri

michaels wrote: »

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I also have a big problem with the 'national' bit, 300 quid a week buys a very different lifestyle in Londonderry than it does in London.

This would suggest more aggressive regional policy, and with regions come boundaries, where the fairness model would break down.

Still, maybe we could cope with a few anomalies?