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Which is what I took it to mean; in real terms (buying power), most people are earning less than 10 years ago.
people seem to have less money in their pocket at the moment .
How do you square this getting poorer with;
Nail bars, permanent makeup bars, botox services, beauty shops, teeth whitening, spray tan shops etc etc - far far more prevalent than 10 years ago.
Gym membership / personal trainers etc - much more prevalent now
The rise and rise of coffee shops and costly takeaways such as Dominoes?
Eating out is more popular than ever
People have more gadgets than 10 years ago, and all manner of new expectations such as a nice new car, someone to wash their car, someone to walk their dogs etc etc
As I've explained many times, REAL WORLD EARNINGS bare no resemblance to official stats.
Ed Milibands 2015 cost of living crisis / the squeezed middle, did not chime with peoples lived reality.0 -
'blaming austerity'? Suppose there were two petrol stations next to wach orher. One charges 5p more per litre because it pays its staff more - which will most people buy petrol from?Which is what I took it to mean; in real terms (buying power), most people are earning less than 10 years ago. Public sector staff have been capped at 1% rises for ages, with inflation being above 1% for the duration. Private sector largely using austerity as an excuse to keep pay rises down too. There are plenty of exceptions; pay rises due to change of job / promotion etc, but on the whole people seem to have less money in their pocket at the moment and that'll only get worse under the Tories continued austerity.
Labour is a market like any orher, employers will only pay more if they have to to get people to work for them. With 15m unemployed europeans, most of whom speak some english and many of whom live in lower wage countries than the uk, there is no danger of a lack of available workers forcing wages up.
Most public sector workers move up their pay bands each year even within the same job so a 1% pay rise still means they have 4-5% more take home pay each year which means they are not auffering the fall in real incomes that private sector workers are.I think....0 -
If you're incapable of making a sensible argument probably better you say nothing at all.
If we introduced 4 new bank holidays we'd reduce the working year by 4 mandays i.e. approx 2%. Employers across Britain would need to take on 2% extra staff to cope with this. Meaning an employer the size of the NHS would need to pay an extra 2,800 staff.
This is basic maths & simple unarguable fact. Which part of it are you struggling to follow?
What's a 'Manday'........... are you cockney or just a sexist tory boy?0 -
Conversely the Tories are only promising cuts and austerity and I am sure they will deliver on all that and more.
Feel free to explain how labour would address the issue of the budget deficit without "austerity" measures. This fiscal year the UK's interest bill for Government borrowing increases by £9 billion. Unfortunately on the international markets there's no such thing as an interest only credit card. We can only spend on ourselves what we earn as a nation.0 -
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You have zero understanding of economics, or history of why we are where we are.
As if you do! Show me an economist and I'll show you another that disagrees with them Some of us don't just accept what we are spoon fed by the elite! The austerity agenda etc.....living within our means....blah blah. There are always choices.0 -
It's a good job you're here to supply the official stats such as "eating out is more popular than ever".How do you square this getting poorer with;
Nail bars, permanent makeup bars, botox services, beauty shops, teeth whitening, spray tan shops etc etc - far far more prevalent than 10 years ago.
Gym membership / personal trainers etc - much more prevalent now
The rise and rise of coffee shops and costly takeaways such as Dominoes?
Eating out is more popular than ever
People have more gadgets than 10 years ago, and all manner of new expectations such as a nice new car, someone to wash their car, someone to walk their dogs etc etc
As I've explained many times, REAL WORLD EARNINGS bare no resemblance to official stats.
Ed Milibands 2015 cost of living crisis / the squeezed middle, did not chime with peoples lived reality.This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
Mistermeaner wrote: »now you just look like an idiot
manday is similar to manhour or manyear in a way of expressing labour usage
Do only men work then........?0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Well the manifesto is primarily funded by borrowing huge sums of money at cheap interest rates. Do you think that this is at all likely?
I am not defending the Labour manifesto but even if you are right how does that excuse the Tories from not expaining their policies? Corbyn may be misguided but May is taking the electorate for granted. I assume you have read the Tory manifesto?
On this issue as far as I can see Corbyn is doing much the same as May by saying its a big problem, we will consult and try to agree on a suitable funding method which could include new forms of taxation such as a wealth tax. This is all one might reasonably expect of an opposition, but you call this borrowing and May says they are not recognising that there is a problem. Yet the Tories have a "death tax" with unspecified cap. But being in Government is it not fair that they should come clean with the electorate and say what they are planning?
Either way Corbyn gets crticised for not having a costed plan and May gets no criticism for the same thing.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
So we're all a lot poorer than a decade ago, mmm; (and for the not so sharp, keep in mind just because we see a rise in low cost outlet does not imply spending on fitness is increased well on 10 years ago - low cost gyms owners saw a gap in the market just as did Aldi)
http://www.leisuredb.com/blog/2017/5/5/2017-state-of-the-uk-fitness-industry-report-out-now
8th May 2017
The 2017 State of the UK Fitness Industry Report reveals that the UK health and fitness industry is continuing to grow.
greater market value than ever before.
There are now over 9.7 million fitness members in the UK which has boosted the penetration rate to an all-time high of 14.9%.
1 in every 7 people in the UK is a member of a gym.
The 2017 report highlights that the industry has experienced another year of impressive growth over the twelve month period to the end of March 2017,- Total market value is estimated at £4.7 billion, up 6.3% on 2016.
- The UK penetration rate is 14.9%, compared to 14.3% in the previous year.
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