the snap general election thread

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Almost all the work has been done and recorded by civil servants. If Labour were to win they would only need a short delay to up to the same speed we see from the present PM.
She will get "a good deal" she says, but that is all she says. Shouldn't someone ask what a good deal looks like?
Or is that too close to shouting out "the king has no cloths"

What's on offer from the EU? They've had 11 months to prepare. Ball is in their court. So far all we've heard so far is threats, demands and impositions. With a trade deal at the bottom of the pile.

mark55man

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You can't agree?
Oh what a surprise - not!

The legwork may indeed have been done - but based upon the policies of Theresa May et al.
NOT upon the policies of Tovarisch Khorbyn or Frothing Farron or anyone else.
Is that really so difficult to understand?

You spelled Corbyn wrong. Then your team never were very good with facts

Get a clue

.string.

gfplux wrote: »

Sorry can not agree.
Almost all the work has been done and recorded by civil servants. If Labour were to win they would only need a short delay to up to the same speed we see from the present PM.
She will get "a good deal" she says, but that is all she says. Shouldn't someone ask what a good deal looks like?
Or is that too close to shouting out "the king has no cloths"

As has been pointed out a couple of times, the analysis that has been has been to support a particular negotiation strategy. Labour would need first to decide on their strategy then see (and understand) what had been done already and commission fresh strategies to support their own strategy.

What is the present strategy and what is a "good deal"? Well only a complete idiot would put that sort of thing in the public domain. To do so would give far too much information to the other side of the negotiation table.

May has given the broad aims and of course she, and Davis, has set the bar high in aspirational terms. We won't get all we ask for, and nor will the EU. That's how these things happen.

Conrad

Just as we're Brexiting, Labour will slap higher taxes on business.

This on top of chaos and rising interest rates truly will bring on an economic storm that will harm the many.

A typical young FTb couple I see these days is borrowing £300k plus, and yes they really are just ordinary working people, not city whizz kids or anything. Rising interest rates under Labour will cripple huge numbers of home owners.

Before anyone starts digging out numpty stats, I know what I and others like me see, large numbers of FTBs are borrowing these sums.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Just as we're Brexiting, Labour will slap higher taxes on business.

This on top of chaos and rising interest rates truly will bring on an economic storm that will harm the many.

A typical young FTb couple I see these days is borrowing £300k plus, and yes they really are just ordinary working people, not city whizz kids or anything. Rising interest rates under Labour will cripple huge numbers of home owners.

Before anyone starts digging out numpty stats, I know what I and others like me see, large numbers of FTBs are borrowing these sums.

Naturally when you are advising them on these products, Conrad, you are warning them that we are at historically low interest rates that can only go one way, and not to even consider borrowing a sum that they can't service if rates go back to the longitudinal average of 10%.


Aren't you?

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You can't agree?
Oh what a surprise - not!

The legwork may indeed have been done - but based upon the policies of Theresa May et al.
NOT upon the policies of Tovarisch Khorbyn or Frothing Farron or anyone else.
Is that really so difficult to understand?

It's ironic how people who continually accuse others of being stupid tend to be rather hard of understanding themselves.


Based on your, tautological, logic - we are stuck with Theresa May forever.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Just as we're Brexiting, Labour will slap higher taxes on business.

Slightly lower taxes than they were a couple of years ago is high?

A typical young FTb couple I see these days is borrowing £300k plus, and yes they really are just ordinary working people, not city whizz kids or anything. Rising interest rates under Labour will cripple huge numbers of home owners.

With a 4x mortgage multiplier, that puts them on a combined salary of £75k which is above average. The MSE mortgage calculator says a couple, both earning £50k (nearly 2.5 times the UK average salary) can expect a mortgage of about £250-350k.

That's before you even get into the deposit needed to get a 300k mortgage. Assuming that's 90% LTV (about as low as you can go these days), that's a £33k deposit, or the average pre-tax salary for London.

Before anyone starts digging out numpty stats, I know what I and others like me see, large numbers of FTBs are borrowing these sums.

Can you explain how what you're seeing doesn't fit with the numpty stats? Is it just that your notion of "ordinary people" is skewed because of the people you sell mortgages to?

I'm an ordinary person and I couldn't afford a £300k mortage. Not that I want to; that'd be a lot of house to clean up here.

CKhalvashi

Conrad wrote: »

Just as we're Brexiting, Labour will slap higher taxes on business.

This on top of chaos and rising interest rates truly will bring on an economic storm that will harm the many.

A typical young FTb couple I see these days is borrowing £300k plus, and yes they really are just ordinary working people, not city whizz kids or anything. Rising interest rates under Labour will cripple huge numbers of home owners.

Before anyone starts digging out numpty stats, I know what I and others like me see, large numbers of FTBs are borrowing these sums.

However in reality, the taxes that businesses pay are based on profit rather than turnover.

25% tax over £300k is what I believe is being proposed. If your business doesn't make over £300k in profit then you have nothing to worry about.

If you don't earn more than £80k then equally, you have nothing to worry about. In reality if you are earning £80k then you can afford to pay a little more in tax.

The Dutch pilots that are frequently based in UK (those that choose to commute from Amsterdam/Eindhoven) often have to pay a top up in NL (the difference between the British tax and the Dutch one), even those earning significantly less than £80k, so I don't see Labours proposals as being in any way unfair.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

Yep the Labour manifesto doesn't even add up if you account for the tangibles, let alone the intangibles. It presumes you can hit corporations in any number of ways (Robin hood tax, Corp tax, many others) without them changing behaviour in the slightest. Or profitability (most of our pensions depend upon dividends from the very companies Labour want to hit hardest). Even some of their lesser mentioned policies would have an astronomical cost. For example, casually creating 4 new bank holidays. Some very basic sums tell us that most people work around 200 days a year (365 minus weekends, holidays, sick etc). 4 extra bank holidays represents 2% of that. If they were introduced every company would need to employ 2% extra staff to make up the shortfall. The NHS employs approx 1,400,000 so they would need to take on another 2,800 people to cover those 4 bank holidays. And so on. But this doesnt even get a mention on the Labour manifesto. And yet they are not only allowed to send one moron after another on TV to repeat the lie that it's fully costed, but their supporters complain about the harsh coverage they get to boot. Couldn't make it up really.[ [/QUOTE]


Well, you actually just did make all of that up, so apparently it's possible.

Arklight

The UK already levies one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the G20.


Under Theresa May's regime with another 5% off, we will be vying with Bulgaria in a race to the bottom.


Nurses are being forced to food banks, we're on track to spend less on public services than America (a country where you can literally die on the street from preventable illness), pensioners face having a lien slapped on their house when they walk into a doctors surgery, and she wants to take more money from the public purse to give as handouts to the rich.


Not voting Tory is a simple choice.