the snap general election thread

Herzlos

Fella wrote: »

I mean the extremist approach of supporting terrorists

Did he actually say he supported terrorists? I'm pretty sure that was taken out of context when he was advocating trying to negotiate with them first. He's stated several times that he's against all terrorism and I can't understand why it's a bad thing to have a politician that wants to start with diplomacy rather than bombs.

wanting to tax "the rich" until they bleed

Have you seen how much tax he wants "the rich" to pay? That's hardly until they bleed - they probably won't even notice.

wanting to declare war on the Corporations the UK depends upon for jobs, corp tax & dividends

He's not doing that either.

wanting to increase public spending

Heaven forbid that he wants our services to actually be useful. Plus, spending more money in the right place can actually save us more in the longer term, rather than trying to mask it..

debt to levels that the current generation of youngsters will spend their lives paying off

But (a) his increases have been costed and offset, (b) he's proposing not letting our youngsters start their working lives with about £30k of student debt that they will actually spend a lot of their working lives paying off.

being in the pocket of the Unions.

I thought the unions were pretty powerless these days?

michaels

Herzlos wrote: »

I thought the unions were pretty powerless these days?

Presumably that is why a London underground driver earns 3x what a bus driver does....

Conrad

May was awful last night in the Andrew Neil interview. She should have just held up her hands and admitted the care policy needed a full re-think and to announce some kind of cap figure.


She sometimes needs to pause for breath and stop talking like a robot

Arklight

michaels wrote: »

Presumably that is why a London underground driver earns 3x what a bus driver does....

Brilliantly spotted. That must also be why CEO pay is now 386 times that of someone on the living wage.


If only we could abolish the RMT, the TUC, and UNISON then finally the unions can stop blighting our public life with obscene inequality.


Damn those teachers, nurses, and train conductors who caused a huge financial crisis, demanded the banks be bailed out to the tune of billions of pounds, then outsourced half our jobs to India.


Damn them and their unions with their insatiable demands for employment rights, work place safety, and pay demands which have seen them line their pockets with 1% salary increases.

IveSeenTheLight

Conrad wrote: »

May was awful last night in the Andrew Neil interview. She should have just held up her hands and admitted the care policy needed a full re-think and to announce some kind of cap figure.


She sometimes needs to pause for breath and stop talking like a robot

Its not a good sign of a leader.
The PM of our country.

Its more akin to a pre-schooler denying they've "decorated" the walls whilst hiding their paint covered hands behind their back

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Its not a good sign of a leader.
The PM of our country.

Its more akin to a pre-schooler denying they've "decorated" the walls whilst hiding their paint covered hands behind their back

It's a sign of the times sadly.
Though I would be interested to know ........... what is the sign of a good leader in your view from the current choice?

Back to " a sign of the times" and let's look at current examples?
Without going to extremes either, looking at democracies:
Trump - say no more.
"Let's invade" Putin?
"Oh dear did I really say welcome migrants?" Merkel?
How about "I will stamp my feet & resign if I don't get my own way" Renzi?

No I am certainly not making excuses for May.
But you gotta admit, mistakes are hardly confined to UK leaders.

Moby

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Its not a good sign of a leader.
The PM of our country.

Its more akin to a pre-schooler denying they've "decorated" the walls whilst hiding their paint covered hands behind their back

I think the 'strong and stable' mantra is turning into a chain around her neck. She looks decidedly flakey to me, almost on the verge of tears. She lacks charm, flexibility and diplomacy skills. Her answers are rehearsed and she talks in generalities. I fear we could end up walking away with no deal on brexit because of her temperament.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

I think the 'strong and stable' mantra is turning into a chain around her neck. She looks decidedly flakey to me, almost on the verge of tears. She lacks charm, flexibility and diplomacy skills. Her answers are rehearsed and she talks in generalities. I fear we could end up walking away with no deal on brexit because of her temperament.

Then convince enough others to vote for what you determine to be a reasonable alternative.
Simples.

Fella

I think a problem with May is she is limiting herself to a small group of confidantes/advisors & they don't appear to be very good. Their manifesto would have been easy to write IMO, & could have gone somehing like this:

Until Brexit negotiations are finished, the triple lock & winter fuel payments will be protected. Likewise we'll honour the 2015 commitments on not raising tax. Beyond Brexit we'll need to assess the state of the economy (a compromise nobody could reasonably have argued with IMO). On social care, if they wanted to include it at all, they should have included a floor that matched the ceiling ie £100k. That could have been sold as a perfectly reasonable "the Govt pays the first £100K. If you have the funds, you pay the next £100K. The Govt pays for everything above that". Nobody would have relished forking out £100K but equally they couldn't complain too much since the very most anybody would pay would be the same or less than the Govt contributed.

That would have been fairly adequate steady as she goes proposition IMO. Guaranteeing things like the triple-lock, fuel payments, tax freezes etc until Brexit is settled would have reassured people for now whilst giving the Govt full flexibility when it'll actually need it.

The Tories should also be taking full advantage of people like Boris Johnson & Cameron, both very popular with the public, a not inconsiderable feat considering they are both rich & posh. However since May clearly views them as more of a threat than an ally they're nowhere to be seen so far. A stupid waste.

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It's a sign of the times sadly.
Though I would be interested to know ........... what is the sign of a good leader in your view from the current choice?

Back to " a sign of the times" and let's look at current examples?
Without going to extremes either, looking at democracies:
Trump - say no more.
"Let's invade" Putin?
"Oh dear did I really say welcome migrants?" Merkel?
How about "I will stamp my feet & resign if I don't get my own way" Renzi?

No I am certainly not making excuses for May.
But you gotta admit, mistakes are hardly confined to UK leaders.

Accepted, we all make mistakes.
A leader leads by example and inspires other to follow.

TM does not show these qualities for me.

A strong leader would have accepted the error, showed compassion by listening and used that to show their adaptability and flexibility to achieve the right outcome for the British people.

Instead, she's trying to take us all for fools