the snap general election thread

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lobbyludd wrote: »

almost all of it will be carried out by lawyers and civil servants, untold hoards of them. They will have spent 11 months pulling together information, strategies and plan B's for all possible negotiation strategies. This will have factored in possible regime changes here and in the EU, and they will continue to do so. The very very top line agreements may be articulated by the PM and brexit lead, with their opposite sides, but that really is it. Mostly, their role will be managing their own parliament and media, through domestic speeches and press conferences.

You would find it more complicated than that. I think you letting a jaundiced view of stereotype politicians and civil servants take over your concept, if I understand your inference correctly. Apologies if I misunderstand. But there are a large number involved, taking into account efforts from the different Departments etc.

Davis has already told us way back last year about the effort going into costing of different outcomes. That was in aid of being able to react to the give and take aspects of the Negotiations. -- what can be given away cheaply and what would cost the Earth.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

The Labour party membership is about half a million, and as you point out a lot of them are recent joiners who like Corbyn's extremist approach.

However I referred to Labour Supporters, i.e. Labour voters. There are about 20x as many of those even in a bad year. Of the very many Labour voters I know/work with etc, virtually to a man they can't stand him & are appalled what he's doing the party. Outside of forums I've honestly never met anybody who rates him.

And obviously we know for a fact his own MPs don't hence the massive vote of no confidence from the vast majority of them.

You mean the extremist approach of not wanting to sell the NHS to the Americans, having a nationalised railway with trains that run like every other country has, and having principles that don't evaporate the first time a corporate donor waves a chequebook?

Yes, awful. Who would want that in a politician.

lobbyludd

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

Yes, that much is patently obvious from your post.

Oh and by the way, Michaels whom you quote said nothing about receiving Tax Credits.
I politely suggest you read that post again.

you are right about the tax credits, sorry: child benefit - so that negates that comment. mea culpa.

the rest stands.

michaels

Arklight wrote: »

You mean the extremist approach of not wanting to sell the NHS to the Americans, having a nationalised railway with trains that run like every other country has, and having principles that don't evaporate the first time a corporate donor waves a chequebook?

Yes, awful. Who would want that in a politician.

Lots (most, all other) of countries do not have a national health service and many have better provision than the UK. And yet now you also want to nationalise water supply, utilities, the railways...why stop there? How about telecoms (the internet is a need not a want) and perhaps aviation, car making, steel - are there any industries not better done by the govt?

Can we bring back coal mining, spinning wheels and hand reaping while we are at it?

Thrugelmir

Arklight wrote: »

having a nationalised railway with trains that run like every other country has,

Are you old enough to remember the times of the UK's nationalised railways? I certainly wouldn't want to go back there. Recent experience has been very good. German railways are a myth. Cheaper to catch coaches between the major cities. As trains are expensive. Was only a couple of years ago that the German services were shut down for days on end due to strike action.

fatbeetle

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I've mentioned this before; when Merkel says no, she means no. She doesn't mean 'ask me again in a few days/weeks/months and I'll give in'.

Merkel is 'Strong and stable', May isn't.

Why not migrate there if Merkel is so fab....

buglawton

michaels wrote: »

So all that economic research on the laffer curve is the usual 'experts' so can be ignored.

The govt tried to tax me an extra 2.5k by taking away child benefit. Since then I have changed my behaviour and have paid about 100k less in tax and will retire 5 years earlier than I would have done.

And many others would make similar smaller scale changes - why over stress yourself for the taxman, especially if you don't have much of a say over how it's redistributed? One simple example is do less overtime and more DIY, you save tax in several ways. It takes a confident government to understand Laffer. Do we have one?

Fella

Arklight wrote: »

You mean the extremist approach of not wanting to sell the NHS to the Americans, having a nationalised railway with trains that run like every other country has, and having principles that don't evaporate the first time a corporate donor waves a chequebook?

Yes, awful. Who would want that in a politician.

I mean the extremist approach of supporting terrorists, appointing a Marxist as shadow chancellor, wanting to nationalize several major sectors, wanting to tax "the rich" until they bleed, wanting to declare war on the Corporations the UK depends upon for jobs, corp tax & dividends, wanting to increase public spending & debt to levels that the current generation of youngsters will spend their lives paying off, & being in the pocket of the Unions.

Just because you support all those extremist policies doesn't make them any less extremist.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

I mean the extremist approach of supporting terrorists, appointing a Marxist as shadow chancellor, wanting to nationalize several major sectors, wanting to tax "the rich" until they bleed, wanting to declare war on the Corporations the UK depends upon for jobs, corp tax & dividends, wanting to increase public spending & debt to levels that the current generation of youngsters will spend their lives paying off, & being in the pocket of the Unions.

Just because you support all those extremist policies doesn't make them any less extremist.

What a bunch of absolute nonsense. Do you have a source for any of those silly assertions?


Let m answer that for you, no - you don't.

Fella

Um, try the Labour manifesto.