the snap general election thread

Fella

Arklight wrote: »

Of those who are against, few knew anything about him before he became leader, most of their opinion comes from the relentless anti Corbyn propagnda in the media.

This point is worth addressing separately, since it is oft-repeated and is complete fallacy.

Corbyn is on the far left, something he himself make no secret about. Likewise his best pal & would-be chancellor is a self-confessed Marxist. That much is fact. Likewise so is their fairly well-publicized support of groups most people consider terrorists.

An equally far right candidate & his party would not get even the tiniest fraction of the generally even-handed treatment Corbyn gets from most mainstream media channels.

And yet we all know that historically extremists on the left are responsible for just as much genocide as extremists on the right. They're equally repulsive.

IMO Corbyn & McDonnell have been given far more airtime & even-handed treatment than extremists like themselves have any right to expect.

As an analogy, if somehow the BNP had managed to infiltrate Tory membership & get a fascist who was a known supporter of far-right terrorist groups elected party leader, do you seriously think he would be getting the same coverage Corbyn & McDonnell get?

Moby

May has cultivated an image of strong and stable leadership which now looks decidedly weak and wobbly. I wouldn't trust her to run a whelk stall never mind manage the most difficult negotiations this country is ever going to go through. She doesn't have any beliefs herself. Her policies are made up by a narrow band of acolytes and are cynically designed to peel off Labour voters. She has very little experience of areas of Govmt outside the Home Office. She has no idea how to talk to real people. She is turning into an awful PM!

antrobus

The Electoral Calculus updated prediction based on opinion polls from 10 May 2017 to 20 May 2017, is now a Con majority of 'only' 132.

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

It may well shrink further.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

antrobus wrote: »

The Electoral Calculus updated prediction based on opinion polls from 10 May 2017 to 20 May 2017, is now a Con majority of 'only' 132.

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

It may well shrink further.

That might be true but so too could the opposite; it may well increase again.
There are after all 17 days to go.
IMHO the opposition are a little premature & have peaked too early.
Time will tell.

.string.

In her speech today in Wrexham, May mentioned something we should all consider.

The Conservatives will have spent what will amount to 11 months preparing for the Brexit negotiations. That would include many strategic discussions, studying of financial analyses of alternative give/take argument, plan Bs for different stages of the arguments, discussion with devovlved assemblies and so on.

11 months!!!!

Labour have done how much preparation? (Other than carping from the outside).

All this in the context of negotiations starting for real in June.

One has to wonder how the Labour could be any shape at all to take over the reins of the negotiation.

I would concede that it's not a level playing field for Labour at this point in time, but that's where we are.

My conclusion, it would be a complete shambles if Labour plus the other odds and sods were to be in charge of the negotiations.

Mortgagefreeman

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I thought I posted this earlier, but maybe not.

Conservatives' shrinking poll lead should 'focus minds'



Both YouGov and Survation polls show the gap narrowing to single digits.

I'm not one to believe too much in polls, but it may still be an indication on the reaction to the manifestos being released.

The Conservative smoke and mirrors , hide behind the Brexit slogan of being strong and stable is not masking the impact the manifesto policies will make

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Wales on the turn as well.

You're both grasping at straws. A bit like your hopes for another referendum.:D

Fella

Brexit wouldn't happen if Labour won. They pay lip-service to pretending they would deliver it because they've concluded it's electoral suicide to say otherwise. But it's patently clear they would have no intention of delivering anything that could remotely be described as Brexit if they won.

Fella

"we do not believe that immigration should be the overarching priority. We do not believe that leaving the EU means severing our ties with Europe. Labour’s White Paper will have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union" etc.

mark55man

.string. wrote: »

In her speech today in Wrexham, May mentioned something we should all consider.

The Conservatives will have spent what will amount to 11 months preparing for the Brexit negotiations. That would include many strategic discussions, studying of financial analyses of alternative give/take argument, plan Bs for different stages of the arguments, discussion with devovlved assemblies and so on.

11 months!!!!

Labour have done how much preparation? (Other than carping from the outside).

All this in the context of negotiations starting for real in June.

One has to wonder how the Labour could be any shape at all to take over the reins of the negotiation.

I would concede that it's not a level playing field for Labour at this point in time, but that's where we are.

My conclusion, it would be a complete shambles if Labour plus the other odds and sods were to be in charge of the negotiations.

I don't accept that argument as most of the leg work will have been done by the civil servants who will still be there, and it is not better to have a party taking you towards a hard brexit, when you believe in a soft brexit.

Can you not see the hackles of Europe rising at the confrontational and hard line being taken, when Labour will be able to calm them down and negotiate towards a softer brexit - still following the will of the people, but not the will of the rightest of the right

And don't give me that b0ll0x about a tough negotiator is a good negotiator - its no good being tough if you just annoy everyone

mrginge

Fella wrote: »

Brexit wouldn't happen if Labour won. They pay lip-service to pretending they would deliver it because they've concluded it's electoral suicide to say otherwise. But it's patently clear they would have no intention of delivering anything that could remotely be described as Brexit if they won.

This point needs hammering home.

As does the fact that their commitment to the SM is going to make it even easier for companies to avoid their CT and Financial transaction tax.

They are kicking the very people we need to support, and at the same time holding the door open to see them on their way.