the snap general election thread

mrginge

Fella wrote: »

I agree the economy is weak (although I don't think public spending is cut to the bone, it's just politically unviable to cut it much more). I'm just surprised they didn't add at least a bit of sugar to go with the medicine they're proposing. The Labour manifesto, albeit a piece of absolute fantasy, has given it's canvassers & activists a whole range of apparent giveaways they can try to bribe people with. Any Tory trying to counter those is left with "yes but with us you get strong & stable leadership" & the hope that whoever they're talking to understands maths.

I agree entirely.

Personally I don't really have much of a problem with the social care changes or removing the triple lock & WFA. But they really needed something a bit more positive to go alongside those policies.

Two more weeks of chucking the made-up cash around from labour and strength, stability and u-turns from the tories.

Shakethedisease

Wales on the turn as well.

Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 8m8 minutes ago
Welsh Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 44% (+9)
CON: 34% (-7)
PC: 9% (-2)
LDEM: 6% (-1)
UKIP: 5% (+1)
(via @YouGov / 18 - 21 May)

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Wales on the turn as well.

The Red Flag will ring in the valleys.


Scotland next!

Filo25

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Wales on the turn as well.

That's a big move in Wales, based on the previous poll it looked like Labour might lose a lot of seats there

Arklight

The best thing Theresa May, Boris Johnson and the rest of them can do now is just shut up.


Go on holiday, leave the country, go on an extended fox hunt. On no account try and meet any real people, do any interviews, or release any more policies, or U turns on policies, or U turns on those U turns.


If they do that they will still probably win by about 10%.


If the Tories intend to spend the next two weeks saying and doing things I predict a landslide victory for Natural Law.

Fella

Ironically that's what most Labour supporters (and MPs) want Corbyn to do. He's specifically persona non grata in lots of constituencies where the standing Labour MP views him as toxic.

Filo25

Arklight wrote: »

The best thing Theresa May, Boris Johnson and the rest of them can do now is just shut up.


Go on holiday, leave the country, go on an extended fox hunt. On no account try and meet any real people, do any interviews, or release any more policies, or U turns on policies, or U turns on those U turns.


If they do that they will still probably win by about 10%.


If the Tories intend to spend the next two weeks saying and doing things I predict a landslide victory for Natural Law.

That is kind of true, it was apparent the Tories just wanted to make this election about the contrast between Corbyn and May, but its all started to go a bit wrong as they have gotten away from that.

kabayiri

Filo25 wrote: »

That is kind of true, it was apparent the Tories just wanted to make this election about the contrast between Corbyn and May, but its all started to go a bit wrong as they have gotten away from that.

For now, perhaps.

The focus will return though.

The question is : who is the easier character to attack? If things get dirty, it will come down to this.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

Ironically that's what most Labour supporters (and MPs) want Corbyn to do. He's specifically persona non grata in lots of constituencies where the standing Labour MP views him as toxic.

Not really, most of the membership joined because of Corbyn.


My experience of canvassing is that Corbyn is mentioned by about 1/4 of people who identify themselves as supporters or undecideds. Of those about half are for and half against.


Of those who are against, few knew anything about him before he became leader, most of their opinion comes from the relentless anti Corbyn propagnda in the media.


In any case unless you are in Islington you aren't voting for him.


If you are one of the MPs who has spent the last 1.5 years demonstrating to the world that you are a backstabbiung turncoat in your efforts to unseat him, then yes, his continued presence probably is quite upsetting.

Fella

Arklight wrote: »

Not really, most of the membership joined because of Corbyn.

The Labour party membership is about half a million, and as you point out a lot of them are recent joiners who like Corbyn's extremist approach.

However I referred to Labour Supporters, i.e. Labour voters. There are about 20x as many of those even in a bad year. Of the very many Labour voters I know/work with etc, virtually to a man they can't stand him & are appalled what he's doing the party. Outside of forums I've honestly never met anybody who rates him.

And obviously we know for a fact his own MPs don't hence the massive vote of no confidence from the vast majority of them.