the snap general election thread

Herzlos

What does everyone make of using plants in debate audiences?

There was one last night complaining about being a nurse having to use food banks, that turned out to be on double her claimed salary, a partner to a Tory Councellor, and a facebook full of holidays and Champagne. Ditto a few of the more vocal anti-SNP audience members who turned out to be Tory Councellors too.

I'm not saying it's only the Tories doing this, I just haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Anyway, should that sort of thing be allowed?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

What does everyone make of using plants in debate audiences?

There was one last night complaining about being a nurse having to use food banks, that turned out to be on double her claimed salary, a partner to a Tory Councellor, and a facebook full of holidays and Champagne. Ditto a few of the more vocal anti-SNP audience members who turned out to be Tory Councellors too.

I'm not saying it's only the Tories doing this, I just haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Anyway, should that sort of thing be allowed?

Ahem.
Try checking facts first.
This from just an hour ago:

An SNP parliamentary candidate has apologised to a nurse who confronted Nicola Sturgeon over the NHS during a televised leaders debate. Claire Austin told the SNP leader that she had been forced to use a food bank and that working in the health service was "demoralising".
Shortly afterwards, Joanna Cherry told BBC Scotland the nurse was believed to be the wife of a Tory councillor.
She later tweeted an apology, after it emerged that Ms Austin is unmarried.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39997155

kabayiri

Filo25 wrote: »

For the first time today I'm starting to consider the option that its possible that the Tories really might mess this election up, something which would have been utterly unthinkable with the way the polling was gong a few short weeks ago.

...or maybe the sheer pace of political discussion nowadays could make this 'care' topic stale in a few weeks time.

Compared to the world of Trump we are in little league. Just look at what he squeezes in to a week !!

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

And you accused the Remainers for fearmongering!

He's proposing increasing corporation tax to below the previous value, and is going to make essentially no difference to the bank balances of higher rate tax payers (actually no change for those earning £80k or less). Will people/corporations leave the country for having to pay an extra £100/month tax on a £4000/month salary? Or what's realistically a 2ppt reduction in corp tax?

How the do you figure it'll double or treble mortage rates?

Or increased costs of business? Or preventing growth in Scotland?

Remoaners tell us companies are all set to leave us and yet here you are saying we should tax them more. Talk about an incentive to HQ in Ireland.


His taxes on higher earners will not yield as he thinks they will and so taxes will keep on rising.


Both these measures will constrain enterprise, cost jobs, reduce pensions, put more on benefits and reduce investment.


Labours ruinous borrowing will be all the incentive the markets need to increase interest rates, who knows where this could end.


Lefties sit in rooms dreaming up regulations, and this puts cost onto business. You therefore might buy an import instead which does not come from somewhere with all these additional costs (ZHCs took off under Blair / Brown)


Scotland's growth is much lower than England's, close to recession in fact. Why isn't their higher tax / socialist environment producing high growth? Why such poor dependency and health outcomes?


Socialism dumbs down society and reduces enterprise. It causes every more people to demand State entitlement. In the end it collapses.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

What does everyone make of using plants in debate audiences?

There was one last night complaining about being a nurse having to use food banks, that turned out to be on double her claimed salary, a partner to a Tory Councellor, and a facebook full of holidays and Champagne. Ditto a few of the more vocal anti-SNP audience members who turned out to be Tory Councellors too.

I'm not saying it's only the Tories doing this, I just haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Anyway, should that sort of thing be allowed?

You love all those lefty plants in QT audiences that fume at the Tory panel members.


Why the change of heart?


I've never beloved full time nurses us FBs anyway - unless they have been terrible with money and debt and living beyond means.

Conrad

1997 - 4 mortgage interest rises in quick succession;


life is already a lot less rosy for some, namely mortgage borrowers, who after last week's base-rate rise to 7 per cent now face a fourth mortgage- rate rise to near 8.5 per cent. On a pounds 50,000 mortgage that means another pounds 45 a month since Labour got into power

http://www.independent.co.uk/money/money-talk-what-labour-forgot-to-take-on-honeymoon-1244768.html?amp

mayonnaise

Filo25 wrote: »

For the first time today I'm starting to consider the option that its possible that the Tories really might mess this election up, something which would have been utterly unthinkable with the way the polling was gong a few short weeks ago.

It's a scary thought.
Although my moral compass prohibits me from ever voting Tory again after their lurch to the extreme-right, I do want them to fully own the Brexit debacle about to come our way.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's a scary thought.
Although my moral compass prohibits me from ever voting Tory again after their lurch to the extreme-right, I do want them to fully own the Brexit debacle about to come our way.

Ah yes.
Never one to let truth and morality interfere with good old-fashioned deceitful propaganda eh?

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ahem.
Try checking facts first.
This from just an hour ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39997155

Well spotted. A politician apologising on a public forum? You don't see that every day...

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

You love all those lefty plants in QT audiences that fume at the Tory panel members.

I'm against all plants.

Conrad wrote: »

Remoaners tell us companies are all set to leave us and yet here you are saying we should tax them more. Talk about an incentive to HQ in Ireland..

1. Labour are talking about nearly-undoing a recent tax drop, resulting in a drop frop 28-26%. That's not a rate rise is it?

2. We're going to lose businesses due to all sorts of problems, but we don't want to turn into a tax haven or sweatshop just to keep those that are left, we'd just be trading one reduction in standard of living for another one.

Conrad wrote: »

1997 - 4 mortgage interest rises in quick succession;


life is already a lot less rosy for some, namely mortgage borrowers, who after last week's base-rate rise to 7 per cent now face a fourth mortgage- rate rise to near 8.5 per cent. On a pounds 50,000 mortgage that means another pounds 45 a month since Labour got into power

http://www.independent.co.uk/money/money-talk-what-labour-forgot-to-take-on-honeymoon-1244768.html?amp

In case I'm hallucinating, are you citing a 20 year old article on mortgage rate rises as an indication of what the Labour party will do is 2017? You think the BOE changes in the 90's were due entirely to Labour dogma and not the economy? Is there any common ground between these 2 events other than that there was a Labour government in place?