the snap general election thread

Yah_Boo_Sux

Conrad wrote: »

I can see both sides of this, on the one hand it would compel more of us to take self-responsibility (we often take my FIL in when he's unwell) rather than automatically expecting the State to do these things for us, but on the other it's a bit galling that my old mate Gary who chose to get a council house and have no savings, will be taken care of no matter what at no cost to him. He's one of those types that has 4 or 5 holidays a year and spends everything he earns. Sometimes I think he's got it sussed.

Well not quite.
See, if Gary was old enough & needed some sort of care today he would not be able to pick and choose.
He couldn't choose (for example) a nice care home with great facilities rather than the one recommended by the council.
Though I do agree with your sentiment.

Seabee42

Yeah but if he had dementia he wouldn't know better.

Spidernick

posh*spice wrote: »

From UK Polling Report - two polls this morning show a big drop in Tory support - down to 9 and 12 percent.

If only that were true and Tory support was in line with that for the LibDems and UKIP!

mayonnaise

And our strong and stable leader performs another U-Turn... :rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dementia-tax-u-turn-pensioners-labour-corbyn-general-election-conservative-tory-poll-a7749001.html

I wonder if she's starting to regret calling this election.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

And our strong and stable leader performs another U-Turn... :rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dementia-tax-u-turn-pensioners-labour-corbyn-general-election-conservative-tory-poll-a7749001.html

I wonder if she's starting to regret calling this election.

You don't want a political party that listens to opinion then?

What a shame it is that Corbyn does not listen so well.
:whistle:

Ballard

mayonnaise wrote: »

And our strong and stable leader performs another U-Turn... :rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dementia-tax-u-turn-pensioners-labour-corbyn-general-election-conservative-tory-poll-a7749001.html

I wonder if she's starting to regret calling this election.

It has to be a concern that the Tories propose something like this, which one has to assume they consider the best route forward, but backtrack after some bad publicity. Are they now saying that they were wrong to start with or that they'll do something that they don't feel is good for the country simply to get votes?

It's not as if it's the first major climb down over the last few months.

Conrad

Populist left wing policies of the money spraying variety Corbyn is offering is very attractive to a lot of gullible people that think simple solutions will answer all our problems. The Tories are up against this very populism and the care plans do not help.


Thanks goodness the Tories are having a re-think and looking at a cap.

Arklight

mayonnaise wrote: »

And our strong and stable leader performs another U-Turn... :rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dementia-tax-u-turn-pensioners-labour-corbyn-general-election-conservative-tory-poll-a7749001.html

I wonder if she's starting to regret calling this election.

And she flips, and she flops. And she flips again, where she stops nobody knows.


Doesn't augur very well for the strong and stable Brexit means Brexit negotiations. The woman is as weak as water.


Maybe she can call Jeremy Corbyn and ask him what it's like to have a principle and stick to it. He's managed it for decades. May can't go three days.


So now there is an even bigger hole in the Tories' uncosted manifesto. Well, as long as she can keep handing out tax breaks to millionaires, billions in corporate welfare, and adding it to the national debt that's all that matters. After all they've ballooned Britain's debt liability in the few years they have been in power by as much as Labour did in all three terms.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Populist left wing policies of the money spraying variety Corbyn is offering is very attractive to a lot of gullible people that think simple solutions will answer all our problems. The Tories are up against this very populism and the care plans do not help.


Thanks goodness the Tories are having a re-think and looking at a cap.

Yes, otherwise you'd have to blindly vote for a government you don't want with policies you don't agree with.


As opposed to blindly voting for them anyway.

Arklight

mystic_trev wrote: »

I'm a Pensioner and really can't see what all the fuss is about regarding the Tory manifesto. Pensioners are living longer lives, giving them more time to appreciate their later years.

My mother passed away last year leaving virtually no assets. Her home and savings had been used to make her comfortable in her final years in a lovely care home circa £1000 a week. This came from nearly £250,000 being from the sale of her home and the savings she and my father had worked hard for.

Of course I could have gone down the 'deprivation of assets' route, and dumped her in the cheapest place the Local authority could find. I know what these are like, I've seen a few! :eek:

No - my conscience is clear, and my inheritance well spent. It's time Pensioners faced up to the fact some of their assets should be used to help make them 'comfortable' They'll still be able to retain £100,000 to pass on to their children, which is far, far more than my mother had left

The issue isn't that social care has to be paid for somehow, it's that the government wants to force huge loans onto private individuals to pay for it.


There appears to be some desperate backpedalling going on wrt caps, but I doubt the overall model has changed.


You'll take home care, because you have no choice, and you will be forced to take out a loan against your property. The compound interest will then grow, as compound interest does, with the only limit on what you owe being determined by how long you eventually live.


While it appears that older people (sometimes referred to as boomers) are happy to vote for governments that pile vast amounts of private debt onto young people for mortgages and tuition fees, it doesn't seem that they want the same thing to happen to themselves.


Maybe the Tories got confused about that inbetween planning the next foxhunting schedule or wondering what they are going to do with all the motability cars they are taking off people who can't walk. .