the snap general election thread

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

Maybe when you have to sign over your house to AXA to get a home help for ten hours a week it will sink in, Jock.

Why?
I am capable of organising my own finances and ensuring (as far as is possible, of course) for any eventuality.

Is it really too much to ask you to do the same so that I do not have to subsidise your lack of foresight?

Would you also like me to fund (say) your travel expenses?
You would maybe like me to pay for when your car needs unexpected repairs?
Would you like me to fund your holidays?
You see; where does it end?

No one should be automatically entitled.
Before you start with your "but but but"s, no I do not believe the examples I give are so much different.
Again.
No one should be automatically entitled.

We really need to get away from the sense of entitlement so pervasive in this country.
Just as when you want a holiday; you want one, you save your money for it.
You want to make sure you have money in the event you lose your job or the capacity to work for other reasons; you make provision by insuring yourself.
You want money in retirement, make your own pension provision.
Health in old age is no different.

Again, no one should be automatically entitled.
Plan ahead.
I have; give me a good reason why you cannot?



Oh & BTW, if you have paid for your own home then you have obviously had the wherewithall, as proven by your owned property.
Siblings should not automatically be entitled to inherit all that their parents worked so hard for either if they are not in turn prepared to support their parents in times of need.
That is immoral, frankly.
"No I can't/won't help but gimme your house when you die" ...........

Filo25

posh*spice wrote: »

From UK Polling Report - two polls this morning show a big drop in Tory support - down to 9 and 12 percent.

A coalition of chaos becoming a possibility?

How on earth did the Tories manage to throw a landslide away?

I would still say a Tory majority is by far the most likely possibility, if they keep polling around the mid 40s I would struggle to see any other scenario.

Realistically I think for the remainder of the campaign we are going to see a lot of stories about the past views and associations of Corbyn/McDonnell and Abbott some of which the Tories and right wing tabloids will have been sitting on for a while.

Labour definitely have a bit of momentum at present but my suspicion remains that the next few days might be their high point in the polls.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

For the reasons above, I believe I have been reasonable, even if the original post is crudely worded. I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this one however.

Er, not exactly as some of the responses following you post point out.
So no, as seen before we will not see eye to eye you and I.

A question?
(I am not trying to be argumentative here, just frank and honest okay? Try please to see the following in that manner?)

Why do you remain here instead of your homeland?
Why do all those born outside the UK choose to live here, very often on a permanent basis?

You see, I believe the answer to be that the UK is a better place.
Despite its faults and despite often derogatory comments regarding current affairs and future possibilities.

If it were not better than where you come from, you would not be here. (Nor would your family, before you say "but my parents". )

So, why remain here and not your homeland?

kabayiri

Filo25 wrote: »

I would still say a Tory majority is by far the most likely possibility, if they keep polling around the mid 40s I would struggle to see any other scenario.
...

Plus...Labour have lost Scotland which was for many years a solid chunk of support.

They seem to have lost Wales, and parts of the North, with their real lack of desire to acknowledge immigration issues.

I don't think a national party can afford to have too many areas of weak support, and yet still succeed.

Wednesday2000

Filo25 wrote: »

Realistically I think for the remainder of the campaign we are going to see a lot of stories about the past views and associations of Corbyn/McDonnell and Abbott some of which the Tories and right wing tabloids will have been sitting on for a while.

Yes, I have thought the same thing.

mystic_trev

I'm a Pensioner and really can't see what all the fuss is about regarding the Tory manifesto. Pensioners are living longer lives, giving them more time to appreciate their later years.

My mother passed away last year leaving virtually no assets. Her home and savings had been used to make her comfortable in her final years in a lovely care home circa £1000 a week. This came from nearly £250,000 being from the sale of her home and the savings she and my father had worked hard for.

Of course I could have gone down the 'deprivation of assets' route, and dumped her in the cheapest place the Local authority could find. I know what these are like, I've seen a few! :eek:

No - my conscience is clear, and my inheritance well spent. It's time Pensioners faced up to the fact some of their assets should be used to help make them 'comfortable' They'll still be able to retain £100,000 to pass on to their children, which is far, far more than my mother had left

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Er, not exactly as some of the responses following you post point out.
So no, as seen before we will not see eye to eye you and I.

A question?
(I am not trying to be argumentative here, just frank and honest okay? Try please to see the following in that manner?)

Why do you remain here instead of your homeland?
Why do all those born outside the UK choose to live here, very often on a permanent basis?

You see, I believe the answer to be that the UK is a better place.
Despite its faults and despite often derogatory comments regarding current affairs and future possibilities.

If it were not better than where you come from, you would not be here. (Nor would your family, before you say "but my parents". )

So, why remain here and not your homeland?

I've lived here for more than 2/3 of my life (I'm 34). I have the right to remain here, and I'm as 'British' as you are in reality, no one at knows me will deny that.

Plus my presence seemingly serves as a good way to annoy borderline racists

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I've lived here for more than 2/3 of my life (I'm 34). I have the right to remain here, and I'm as 'British' as you are in reality, no one at knows me will deny that.

Plus my presence seemingly serves as a good way to annoy borderline racists

I did not question your right to remain here.
I asked why you choose to live here.
Can you not find it in you to answer honestly and without rancour?


You have you see spoken in these forums (with pride, which I understand) of IIRC your Georgian background and indeed of your purported European dealings.
Yes, I'm sure there may be some anti-Georgian, even anti-eastern European or anti-EU "borderline racists" here in the UK.
I however am none of those.
Indeed my wife is not of British descent.

Now I bet you would love to see my contacts as evidence, since I have family and very close friends across Europe and beyond and I have lived in quite a few of those places too, but that's not going to happen.
Never though whilst I have lived in those countries would I have even dreamed of denigrating that country in any way because I consider that ill-mannered and inhospitable.
No matter how long I lived there.
And as I love my country of birth I returned, albeit eventually.


There are many EU countries you could choose, without considering even globally or your country of birth.
So I repeat:
I asked why you choose to live here.
Can you not find it in you to answer honestly and without rancour?


(If you say "I consider myself British" I will understand. We do after all have a vehemently pro-EU British contingent in these forums. )

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I've lived here for more than 2/3 of my life (I'm 34). I have the right to remain here, and I'm as 'British' as you are in reality, no one at knows me will deny that.

Plus my presence seemingly serves as a good way to annoy borderline racists

You are far from being alone. My own ancestry is German. Not the easiest to be in the middle of a world war either. For either my grandfather or father. Both rose above it though.

Yah_Boo_Sux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I did not question your right to remain here.
I asked why you choose to live here.
Can you not find it in you to answer honestly and without rancour?

Nicely put.

I've seen lots of scare stories about migrants and what will happen if they leave, they do so much for *insert whichever sector here*.

Why do they come here, live here and so often make their homes here? Not just for money (try asking them. I do.). No, they see the UK as a good place and also a land of opportunity; a chance to better themselves.

If there's no agreement and some do leave (because I think we can be pretty sure that not every migrant will "up sticks" and leave ASAP) it strikes me that a few things are possible.

The EU will have increased unemployment as these former migrants return home to no jobs.
Meanwhile the UK may have shortages in some areas as these workers go wherever.

What the UK could do however (as has been done already in some areas of employment) is recruit from outside the EU.
Why not have (just for example) Filipina or Albanian fruit pickers on contracts? Cut the EU out altogether?

I cannot believe that eastern EU employees are the only option.
I also do not believe that most here do not want foreign workers doing often necessary work here.
The sheer number arriving via the EU without work when they arrive has been the major problem IMHO.


So my thoughts are that the scare stories of the UK being somehow left without workers as EU migrants leave en masse is another "project fear" fabrication.
Because if they do leave the EU will have increased the number of unemployed as they return whilst we can import workers from where we want.

(I am of French descent BTW - but related to neither Macron nor Le Pen I hasten to add.)