Roundabout accident

tho_2

I don't believe that there is NOTHING where the cones are on Google. They've quite clearly installed a access and exit road complete with drop kerbs, with a triangle crossing in the middle, down to a partly constructed building. So either this has all been ripped up and removed already or what is almost certain, its finished, and you've used the left lane and gone right basically (3rd exit), in disagreement with road markings and the highway code.

Someone was on here who crashed into someone doing what you did recently (https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5610202) who got settled entirely in his favour, so if they're offering 50/50 snatch their hands off.

AdrianC

tho wrote: »

I don't believe that there is NOTHING where the cones are on Google. They've quite clearly installed a access and exit road complete with drop kerbs, with a triangle crossing in the middle, down to a partly constructed building. So either this has all been ripped up and removed already or what is almost certain, its finished, and you've used the left lane and gone right basically (3rd exit), in disagreement with road markings and the highway code.

Indeed. The overhead satellite shots on google are earlier, and show solid trees. The streetview images are clearly of a new development of some kind. A little light googling reveals it's a 70-bed carehome and 16 new houses, . The homes do not appear to be on the market yet, going by rightmove.

So... going by the state of construction last summer, that's still going to be site access only. I VERY much doubt that the priorities have been changed substantially, and - even if they had - the change would be clearly signposted.

wegle

My interpretation of this would be that you can only take the B3208 from the right hand lane. Mainly because the A325 is also indicated in that lane, but no distinction made for A325(N) or A325(S). So a driver should be expecting that people wishing to take the A325(N) may be in the right hand lane and as such would be in conflict with them if they were in the left hand lane wishing to take the B3208. Especially as both the entrance and exit onto the A325(N) are dual carriageway.

The markings could be considered ambiguous without the distinction of A325(N) and A325(S) but unless there is a large accident record that could be associated with this I would imagine it isn't actually that much of a problem.

Unfortunately OP I would have to agree that you are likely in the wrong here and should take the 50/50 offer. I would certainly question whoever you spoke to in the local council and if they are the local Highway Engineer then they probably need to re-evaluate their response.

reeac

Google Earth shows that the signage at the approach to the roundabout is of the kind that I've grumbled about before on this forum. It uses road numbers for the A roads but the name of a trading estate for the B road which is actually a through road, not a dedicated one for the estate. All very well for locals but no use for a stranger.

Nasqueron

cjdavies wrote: »

The driver in the right hand lane, should look to see if their exit is clear - cars on the left.

This is what most said on another thread when the driver (OP) was on the inside and and another driver on the outside going all the way around!

I will attempt to look for the thread tomorrow, i'm up in 5 1/2 hours :-(

That post was the reverse of this, in that one the driver was in the correct lane to go right (2nd exit at the roundabout) while the driver who hit him was in the straight ahead only lane and cut around seemingly to do a complete loop of the roundabout if I remember correctly. In that scenario the poster would have been hard done by with a 50/50 whereas this one, the OP has missed the fact their exit can only be taken in the right hand lane

Lorna_Jayne

The lane markings are very ambiguous, which is a shame as more people may end up in the same situation as me. Although I do question why the B3208 exits on to 2 lanes, which surely shows that you could approach it from both the left and right hand lane, I believe the arrows must mean something.

My big issue though is, the other driver clearly lied in his statement; the reason I was so sure he wanted to take the first exit was because the accident happened in front of the first exit where he entered my lane and crashed into me (causing my car to turn anticlockwise) and with his car in the direction of the first exit driving off until he stopped.

The problem is I have nothing to prove he lied, apart from the damage report which my insurance company apparently didn't even look at.

tho_2

If he's saying he wanted B3028 that supports you slightly. Insurance is thinking you were alongside each other and drifted into each other, hence the 50/50. You were in the wrong lane, he could see you and avoid you using lane 2 of B3028. One of you drifted into the other if not both. If he wanted A325 you were in the wrong lane and drove across front of him while he was exiting. I don't see what the damage report will make different, unless his damage is on front which supports he was leaving and you were in the way.

And the A325 is exit 2 by the way. B3028 is exit 3. New Old peoples and houses are exit 1.

photome

Lorna_Jayne wrote: »

The lane markings are very ambiguous, which is a shame as more people may end up in the same situation as me. Although I do question why the B3208 exits on to 2 lanes, which surely shows that you could approach it from both the left and right hand lane, I believe the arrows must mean something.

My big issue though is, the other driver clearly lied in his statement; the reason I was so sure he wanted to take the first exit was because the accident happened in front of the first exit where he entered my lane and crashed into me (causing my car to turn anticlockwise) and with his car in the direction of the first exit driving off until he stopped.

The problem is I have nothing to prove he lied, apart from the damage report which my insurance company apparently didn't even look at.

how are the lane marking ambiguous if they are as posted in the pic, are they?

to exit on to the B3208 you should be in the right hand lane on approach

Lorna_Jayne

photome wrote: »

how are the lane marking ambiguous if they are as posted in the pic, are they?

to exit on to the B3208 you should be in the right hand lane on approach

Because there is an arrow in the left hand lane pointing ahead and left, when I get the chance I will photograph that roundabout, as I am confident there is not an exit where the new homes are built.

rubble2

I am in no way legally trained but we do a lot of work in call centre environments many of which are operated by solicitors/insurance companies.

One thing I have seen repeatedly is a crib note by every workstation which says effectively:-

1) Rear end collision is always assumed to be following drivers fault
2) Collision on roundabout should always be assumed to be 50/50.

I think that this is their default stance and I am guessing it would take exceptional circumstances to successfully argue against it.