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Roundabout accident

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  • DoaM
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    edited 12 April 2017 at 4:48PM
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    To be honest, there's no specific markings but looking at the layout I'd expect left lane to be "straight on" (which is actually 1st exit) to continue on the A325, and right lane to go around for the other exits.

    Granted the 3rd party shouldn't have entered in the right lane and taken the 1st exit, but I can understand why he'd think that's where you'd be going.

    This'll go 50:50.
  • AdrianC
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    edited 12 April 2017 at 5:56PM
    Can you confirm that you were coming from the A325 at 6 o'clock, heading to the B3208 at 1 o'clock, and the impact occurred at the A325 exit at 11 o'clock, not the coned-off building site entrance visible from the streetview shots?

    So you approached via this bit of road?
    https://goo.gl/maps/u1tuMzpAXuE2

    Those are big and clear road markings in that (Aug last year) image, saying B3208 right lane only. They are the ONLY lane guidance markings shown anywhere on the approach to that roundabout.

    So you were in the left lane of a two-lane roundabout passing a two-lane exit... when your front corner hit a car to your right?

    If that's right, then you're getting away easily with 50/50 on this one.
    DoaM wrote: »
    Granted the 3rd party shouldn't have entered in the right lane and taken the 1st exit
    Why not? It's following the road markings...
  • Rotor
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    I've often wondered why people lie to pass on blame to another party.

    Surely it makes no sense to lie unless you can pass ALL the blame to the other party as you will still have a claim on your record with all the premium hikes that brings? (Plain and nasty spite excluded)

    A claim is a claim regardless of cost, blame share etc - yes?
  • MisterP123
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    Right...... So you were in the wrong lane

    Count yourself lucky.
  • Retrogamer
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    Rotor wrote: »
    I've often wondered why people lie to pass on blame to another party.

    Surely it makes no sense to lie unless you can pass ALL the blame to the other party as you will still have a claim on your record with all the premium hikes that brings? (Plain and nasty spite excluded)

    A claim is a claim regardless of cost, blame share etc - yes?

    I wondered the same. I the excess that each party has to pay is reduced. Either that or they just do it out of spite.
    All your base are belong to us.
  • Aylesbury_Duck
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    OP, does today's reality differ from the street view? In other words, is the coned off exit from the roundabout in the photos now a proper exit, and are you referring to this as the "first exit"?

    If the road layout is still as shown on streetview, I think you should grab the 50:50 opportunity. As I'm seeing it from your description and the road markings, it appears you were in the wrong lane for the B3208. Granted, the other party seems to have cut across your lane, which he shouldn't have done knowing you were there or not having checked you were there, but you being in the wrong lane contributed to the accident.
  • When on a dual carriageway, the dualling will often allow for both lanes to cross the roundabout along the line of the trunk road regardless of exit angle especially in junctions with minor roads, but not always.

    A good example of the issues is the A5 around Shrewsbury, where the A5 typically but not always has two lanes, whether it goes left, right or straight on. In some cases it goes down to one protected lane that omits the roundabout, whereas in the other direction you have a choice of three lanes going right (and long queues in the right lane with slow moving traffic as nobody reads the road signs ahead of the junction).

    To me, this accident becomes 50/50 because the other driver should be aware of the possibility of other drivers doing silly things and the lack of markings on the roundabout. If the council wanted to avoid the issue, they should make the left lane have a solid white line leading off the roundabout - if a driver takes the wrong lane they should not be too badly inconvenienced by being sent to the next roundabout.
  • Aylesbury_Duck
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    Retrogamer wrote: »
    I wondered the same. I the excess that each party has to pay is reduced. Either that or they just do it out of spite.
    It's a natural response from some people in an attempt to absolve themselves of blame. You only have to read some of the posts on this forum from people clearly at fault from their own descriptions, yet adamant they are entirely innocent. A car reversing into a hole and a driver overtaking cyclists in inappropriate circumstances are two recent examples, both of which ran to many, many pages of self-justification and sheer astonishment that others considered them to be in the wrong.
  • facade
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    edited 12 April 2017 at 6:31PM
    A long time ago, I t-boned a car when I was turning right at a wet island, the driver simply tried to go across the front of me, and sat there wheels spinning broadside across the island.

    I still only got 50:50, and there was me thinking you are supposed to give way to vehicles coming from your right on an island!

    No doubt the other driver said how I was 4 wheel drifting around the island at such high speed (close to the speed of light) that I appeared "from nowhere" or something.....


    EDIT: I did try arguing with my insurer on the 'phone as I expected the usual massive increases in premium for a 50% at fault accident, and they dismissed me with "we always settle 50:50 with accidents on islands"
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science ;))
  • Nasqueron
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    Yes looking at the street view I agree you were wrong OP, take the 50/50

    Unless lane views have changed since August 2016 (google street view), the left hand lane is for A325 and A3016 only and you need to be in the right hand lane for B3208 and I suspect they have done the straight on and left arrow when they repainted in anticipation of whatever is being built on the left being open

    Funnily enough, I wonder if the other driver changing his story has ultimately brought about his downfall and the 50/50 - if he had stuck to his guns and was indeed going onto the A325 and could show photos of the scene proving you were in the wrong lane, he might have got it against you or at least more in his favour (if that's possible??)

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

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