Neighbours with hyperactive kids now in Easter holidays!

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scorpsub wrote: »

So not sure what to do, we are nice people and they seem nice so it seems a issue more they have laminate than anything else.

Yes, we are not allowed laminate flooring in our flats, presumably for this reason.

If they are nice people do you want to antagonise them by reporting the noise and making them get rid of their (probably expensive) laminate flooring?

scorpsub

IAmWales wrote: »

Does your contract state laminate is not allowed? If you report them I would expect the noise to get far worse. I wouldn't blame them either.

The neighbours were very polite to you, and the noise is restricted to the daytime. You need to either stop being so sensitive (and judgmental) or move somewhere without neighbours.

Its a council property so its not allowed,

So 2-4 kids on average kids running about on laminate flooring is me being sensitive? Why do you think its banned in council properties for?

I actually meant the noise was bad, and they are breaking council rules but they seem friendly (well the woman at least) so I don't want to get them in trouble but they made the choice to put down laminate knowing it was banned, and knew they had kids that will run about and drop things as well.

I was hoping there was a better way, for them to compromise ideally getting things like rugs though I think that will be dangerous with kids running about but that would help with noise.

Why is it ok for you to be judgemental and then accuse me of being it?

Do you think at least 13 hours of GROUPS of people having a party drinking and in every room of property on laminiate flooring is acceptable? They said it was 13 hours we think it was more like 15 but we can't prove that.

We tolerate noise as a one off, considering we have lived here 6 months and tolerated it does that not mean we are considerate people? In fact I asked did the woman hear any noise from me and politely said it could just be thin walls and she confirmed she NEVER hears noise from our property except mild talking when we have guests (which is about twice a month)

They were polite but they were also defensive quick to say the noise was coming from the flat above them and couldn't be them, I spoke politely to them and didn't make accusations, introduced myself asked about them even "agreed" it was likely the noise was coming from above them

If we weren't polite we would of been up shouting accusations and being rude.

scorpsub

avogadro wrote: »

Yes, we are not allowed laminate flooring in our flats, presumably for this reason.

If they are nice people do you want to antagonise them by reporting the noise and making them get rid of their (probably expensive) laminate flooring?

Exactly why we don't want to but we also wished there was a way to make it clear they shouldn't break rules that are there for a reason,

Though saying that, it was them who chose to get expensive laminate knowing it was banned, does the expense excuse it?

To be clear we don't want them to get rid of the laminate, it was more we wish they had a push to realise it was wrong to get it in first place and they shouldn't break rules like that, and wish there was a compromise such as advising to get rugs.

Loz01

Good lord, this would drive be INSANE. I would've already complained about them and definitely complain about the flooring! There's a reason WHY you're not allowed that flooring and if they let their kids run riot then it'll be even worse.

Gavin83

IAmWales wrote: »

Does your contract state laminate is not allowed? If you report them I would expect the noise to get far worse. I wouldn't blame them either.

The neighbours were very polite to you, and the noise is restricted to the daytime. You need to either stop being so sensitive (and judgmental) or move somewhere without neighbours.

avogadro wrote: »

Yes, we are not allowed laminate flooring in our flats, presumably for this reason.

If they are nice people do you want to antagonise them by reporting the noise and making them get rid of their (probably expensive) laminate flooring?

Quite shocked at the tone of these posts. There is obviously a reason laminate flooring isn't allowed and your suggestion is to just suck it up and stop being so sensitive? Where do you draw the line, neighbours running a crack den? Rave?

It's really quite easy for you to pass judgement but I'd imagine if you were unable to enjoy your home and were constantly being woken up you'd have lost your patience as well.

Personally OP I'd be telling them they need to investigate a way to improve the soundproofing of their floor, remind them it's banned and it's within both your interests to come to a solution. If they do nothing then report them.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

scorpsub wrote: »

We thought we would update, had a few ongoing issues that escalated and yesterday were woken up sometime after 6am (I assume 7.30 at very latest pushing it) and noise all day till 9.40pm bar a few minutes here and there of silence.

Then again today so went up 30 minutes ago and had a chat with the lady, she admitted the noise yesterday but said it started 8.30am (as her kids wake at that time) and all the noise I am hearing is from couple above them, the couple above them has a dog which explains the howling sounds I am hearing (but not how it travels down 2 floors of a building) they did quickly jump in and say they wore slippers in the house without prompting so it must of been on their mind but I notice they have laminate in every room! Which is banned in council flats! So I assume thats where the noise is coming from they also admitted the bedroom was full of children so imagine the noise with laminate!

So not sure what to do, we are nice people and they seem nice so it seems a issue more they have laminate than anything else.

They again without prompting said in future if they plan a party or have family round they will inform us, so we are torn as if we report the flooring it may seem petty but its a noise nuisance and banned.

News to me about the laminate. My tenancy agreement said you had to install underlay, but as it is perfectly legal to not put any floorcovering down at all, and where they had upgraded kitchens and bathrooms as part of refurbishment programmes, they put down lino tiles with no soundproofing, I don't think they really had much hope of enforcing it.


Dog howls are designed to travel long distances. That's why you hear them, they're meant to be heard. Sound from other flats is perfectly possible - I was reported to the council repeatedly for making noise by the woman downstairs and the threatening letters from the council only stopped when I called them and not only pointed out I was in hospital on the day she last complained about, she hasn't noticed I've now got a new baby, despite her crying as babies do, and whilst we're on the line, you hear that thudding noise? Yep, that's the people across the landing making that noise - I suspect that it's their noise being transmitted through the walls - carpet does nothing to absorb vibrations going through those.


She could be relatively quiet and the people above could indeed be making 90% of the noise. And the kids could be up early because they're being woken up by the people above them.


I'd try to focus on the majority of the noise being during the day 6am is just about within the realms of normal child wakening. And maybe looking into getting some acoustic ear filters at night; this is the problem people get with not being able to afford to live somewhere of their own choosing.

I was amazed how quiet living in a semi was, compared to my old flat - no more bums squeaking in the bath, no lightswitches, no washing machines, no kettle, washing machines, taps, etc, - but the lodger goes garrity over next door's kids in the garden at 10am, the sound of the wife opening a chest of drawers to put clothes away and the husband using their super powered blender - as far as I'm concerned, only three noises carrying through the walls when they've got 2 kids is amazingly quiet - and why wouldn't a kid play in their own garden at 10am? Needless to say, the lodger gets an 'oh dear'. Particularly as they have to listen to her opening our front door at stupid o'clock in the morning after a night out. And her singing.



It does occur to me that maybe, due to your past, you're becoming more sensitive to sound as a result, so a noise upsets you more because you're associating it with terrible things happening to you? I think it's something quite common with people who are suffering from PTSD - perhaps your doctor/counsellor/psych/whoever you see to aid with your recovery could advise you?

scorpsub

I don't think its that, I think one of two ways for most part, if we never hear lightswitches, doors, normal level talking, washing machine, toilets and normal walking about, it seems most likely for example the walking around noise is when they come home and are in shoes on their laminate as they themselves say they wear slippers indoors which would explain why we don't hear walking about noise all the time, and kids being kids run about and laminate makes it louder and yes laminate is banned maybe its different as we are in Scotland.

I have complained about previous neighbours for different reasons such as last property we lived there 3 years and never had problems till someone moved in who had groups of people round often and they sang, it wasn't laminate but they wore work type shoes, I am friends with the new tenant of that property and they tell me they are woken around 7am every morning, ande complain about the same noise even to point both tenants say with earplugs they can hear the noise from their neighbour so it wasn't me being sensitive there, the property before that was walls so thin you would hear farting, burping, snoring and our neighbour was a alcoholic and his friends came round to 1-4am every morning and he often had surpise visits from relatives who then were rowdy all day and again he had laminate as well it was because of that we found out laminate wasn't allowed in council properties, but his was ex council.

We have lived in student properties so used to noise, just as I lived above pubs and across road from nightclubs and been fine.

So the two trains of thought are either shes relatively quiet so we don't hear anything bar the kids and when they have rowdy guests.

Or they are being quiet all the time and its just bad sound insulation.

It seems more logical that the kids are just being rowdy now and again, made far worse by the laminate.

We have only once heard the tv on, and that was the time they kept us awake to 3am, when I mentioned it to the woman she smiled and went "that sounds right" She tells me she works night shift and it was loud male drunken like grunting and laughter we heard so its likely her partner had friends round late as a one off whilst his partner was working

The only other noise we hear is around 8am (which is when they get kids up) to about 11 we hear loud music in living room, it makes sense if its the laminate boosting the vibration.

So it seems most likely almost all if not all the noise is laminate related which would also show why its not allowed!


But considering