Speed traps

poppasmurf_bewdley

George_Michael wrote: »

But as already mentioned by others, if the officer checking the speed was only using a laser gun and not a mobile camera, no warnings need be given.
Even if there was a camera and there were no warnings given, there is also this:

So what is your argument?

All I said originally was:

I thought that where a speed trap was in use, there had to be at least one warning sign visible prior to the trap, either a permanent display or one placed there temporarily.

AndyMc.....

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

So what is your argument?

All I said originally was:

I thought that where a speed trap was in use, there had to be at least one warning sign visible prior to the trap, either a permanent display or one placed there temporarily.

And the link you posted shows it to be incorrect.

Mercdriver

Marktheshark wrote: »

If he was holding the camera, unless he stopped you and served you a ticket, you got away with it.
Only a camera van or fixed speed cameras send NIP by post.

That is the usual practise but is not necessarily the case. The police can just use the device and note down reg numbers and issue NIPs. They don't HAVE to stop you.

glentoran99 wrote: »

35 is within the 10% + 2 threshold, not sure if all police forces go by that though


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/we-do-allow-10-plus-2mph-for-speeding-motorists-psni-35571795.html

In most police areas, enforcement STARTS at 10% +2, so in a 30, 35 would be the speed at which enforcement starts.

George_Michael

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

So what is your argument?

All I said originally was:

I thought that where a speed trap was in use, there had to be at least one warning sign visible prior to the trap, either a permanent display or one placed there temporarily.

My argument was twofold.
1/. What you stated is only relevant if there was a camera in use. It doesn't apply for handheld speed detectors with no mobile camera.


2/ Even if it is relevant, the link you provided clearly states that if the signage requirements are not met, this isn't a reason for the speeding offence to be ignored.

poppasmurf_bewdley

George_Michael wrote: »

My argument was twofold.
1/. What you stated is only relevant if there was a camera in use. It doesn't apply for handheld speed detectors with no mobile camera.


2/ Even if it is relevant, the link you provided clearly states that if the signage requirements are not met, this isn't a reason for the speeding offence to be ignored.

But the OP stated: but the cop was holding a camera / speed gun

So you're all getting your knickers in a twist about something which you don't even know about. Even the OP doesn't know if it was a camera or a speed gun. Or even, as I pointed out earlier, a hair drier, which some people in villages have been using to deter speeders!

We'll have someone on here shortly claiming if a hairdryer is being used, signs showing curlers must be displayed ( or shouldn't). Delete as applicable.

Car_54

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

A one minute search brought up:

https://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/personal/speeding

Look under Rules and Regulations for Speed Cameras.

But it's still not true. Can you find actual regulations, rather than inaccurate comments?

waamo

There are camera along the M6, M1 and M25 that are either grey or hidden behind gantries.

If the law says they should be visible and yellow then I would like to see that law. I can find several sites that say this is the law but none link to it.

They also say that failure to obey this law doesn't invalidate the NIP. What kind of law is it if it doesn't need to be obeyed? That sounds more like a guideline than a law.

poppasmurf_bewdley

Car_54 wrote: »

But it's still not true. Can you find actual regulations, rather than inaccurate comments?

If you want them, you find them. I'm not a lawyer. You seem to need an awful lot of detail. Me - I'm satisfied if someone says something, or I read something from a reliable place, I'm inclined to believe it.

shaun_from_Africa

https://www.warwickshire.police.uk/article/3891/FOI-disclosure-logs?foiid=26183
Guidance, not legislation.

Visibility
45. Depending upon the enforcement method used, speed camera housings (including tripod-mounted cameras) or the camera operator or the mobile enforcement vehicle should be clearly visible from the driver’s viewpoint at the following minimum visibility
distances:
• 60 metres where the speed limit is 40 mph or less;
• 100 metres at all other speed limits.
46. On every occasion before commencing enforcement at a camera site, the enforcement
officer should check that the visibility guidance is met.
Conspicuity
47. Fixed speed camera housings located within an area of street or highway lighting should
be coloured yellow either by painting both the front and back of the housing or covering both the front and back of the housing with retro-reflective sheeting. In an area not covered by street or highway lighting, the speed camera housing should be treated with
yellow retro-reflective sheeting. The recommended paint colour is No.363 Bold Yellow of BS381C:1996. The retro-reflective sheeting should meet the requirements of BS EN 12899-1:2001 or a suitable microprismatic sheeting conforming to BS 8408 or an equivalent Standard of a European Economic Area State

.
However,

This Circular provides guidance and best practice advice on the deployment of speed and red-light cameras in these circumstances after 1 April 2007. The guidance does not restrict or fetter the police’s discretion to enforce covertly anywhere, at any time.

[simon]

I thought this might be useful to the thread .


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/653462/Speed-trap-cameras-tickets-30