Will you buy a diesel car now?

Rain_Shadow

kmb500 wrote: »

I wouldn't ever buy a diesel car, they are so dull and unexciting to drive and they make a horrible noise.

I find the effortless mid range urge very much to my taste.

takman

kmb500 wrote: »

I wouldn't ever buy a diesel car, they are so dull and unexciting to drive and they make a horrible noise.

It all depends on what you prefer but one of my cars has a 3.0 V6 diesel engine and has a good amount of torque from low down the rev range. This makes it very easy to drive because it pulls very well in all the gears even when towing. Plus it does alot more MPG than petrol cars with a similar power output.


I would also say its far more exciting to drive than a 1.3 Panda that you said you had in another post.


But it depends what other petrol car do you have that your saying is more exciting?

Rain_Shadow

scaredofdebt wrote: »

What kind of mileage would you expect an older diesel to return before it needs replacing?

Just curious.

My 1996 Pug 405 had done 245,000 when it went in the scrappage deals in 2009.

kmb500

Rain_Shadow wrote: »

I find the effortless mid range urge very much to my taste.

Yeah I get that, my parents used to have big diesel cars that would go hundreds of miles smoothly - a Peugeot 406 and then a VW Passat. It's just not for me.

takman wrote: »

It all depends on what you prefer but one of my cars has a 3.0 V6 diesel engine and has a good amount of torque from low down the rev range. This makes it very easy to drive because it pulls very well in all the gears even when towing. Plus it does alot more MPG than petrol cars with a similar power output.


I would also say its far more exciting to drive than a 1.3 Panda that you said you had in another post.


But it depends what other petrol car do you have that your saying is more exciting?

I drive a 1.8 MX-5 that screams to 7500RPM and is an absolutely brilliant driving machine. I am getting a Fiesta ST which seems a blast as well.


The panda was my parents' car that I used to drive.

scaredofdebt

I'd treat the readout on the OBC with a great deal of skepticism.

I can get 99.9 MPG (so likely over 100 MPG) from my Rio from the Scotch Corner to J46 (40 miles) according to the OBC, it is largely slightly downhill but not that much!

motorguy

scaredofdebt wrote: »

I'd treat the readout on the OBC with a great deal of skepticism.

I can get 99.9 MPG (so likely over 100 MPG) from my Rio from the Scotch Corner to J46 (40 miles) according to the OBC, it is largely slightly downhill but not that much!

Yes, thats why i use the brim to brim method.

Thought with the pictures posted from the OBD, it was interesting that such a big car was registering such a high reading over such a distance. And that was from a cold start and door to door too, not just a particular stretch.

Also that was a 2010 Passat, so i'd imagine the latest ones can better that easily. The big tank on the passat was great as you could get 1,000 miles to a tank which was amazing.

motorguy

kmb500 wrote: »

I wouldn't ever buy a diesel car, they are so dull and unexciting to drive and they make a horrible noise.

I'm kind of with you on that. If i didnt have to drive a diesel, i wouldnt. Currently i dont do big miles so none of our three cars breaking 25mpg ish is a big issue.

The exceptions i guess for me would be :-

• As i've said - if i did big miles, then i'd give another diesel serious consideration although i'd like to think i''d err on the side of a hybrid now, as modern diesels can produce some big bills.
• If the specific model i wanted only came in diesel. For example a Passat Estate is a decent enough car, but you can now only buy them in diesel form new.
• If i wanted a specific engine and it happened to be diesel. For example, i've had a couple of 535d M Sport BMWs with a remap which takes them to around 340BHP and 500lb/ft of torque. That makes for an "interesting" drive.

motorguy

Rain_Shadow wrote: »

My 1996 Pug 405 had done 245,000 when it went in the scrappage deals in 2009.

+1

I've seen a 406 2.0HDI with 345,000 miles and going strong.

With more modern diesels, it'll probably be a DMF, DPF, pump, injector or turbo failure that gets it, long before the engine itself or the bodywork expires.

kmb500

some of those older Peugeots would last a very long time, they were pretty well built cars. I mean if you look back at the 504 that thing was built like a brick and would last forever.

motorguy

kmb500 wrote: »

some of those older Peugeots would last a very long time, they were pretty well built cars. I mean if you look back at the 504 that thing was built like a brick and would last forever.

The engines themselves even on newer ones will last forever (or close to it). Its the big bills associated with the ancilliaries that will put them off the road long before that.

If someone has a 406 2.0HDI worth £500, they'll scrap it rather than stick a new turbo or DMF on it.

Thats whats killing off old diesels, not the engine being knackered.