Is it really 1600Mhz memory

privateILLY

Mr_Toad wrote: »

But the Tech specs on the manufacturers site clearly says;

SPD Speed is 1333MHz

Speed Rating 1600MHz

Tested Speed 1600MHz

It's all there so it looks like you either didn't read it or misunderstood it.

So you're actually going to continue to miss out the PC3 12800 (1600)? I think the misunderstanding is on yours and enkoda's part

I'm currently configuring pictures just to clarify for the benefit of those like yourself who are not using the 'whole' information

Just for sake of it here are the specs not 'cherry picked'

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Mr_Toad

privateILLY wrote: »

So you're actually going to continue to miss out the PC3 12800 (1600)? I think the misunderstanding is on yours and enkoda's part

Would that be the same as you continually missing out on the SPD rating being 1333MHz in the Tech Specs?

And the the fact that the memory is tested to PC3 12800 and will run at 1600MHz with the XMP profile?

It's all there in the spec and you did say you read them.

Caveat Emptor.

You obviously don't want to hear any comments that disagree with you.

Good luck

privateILLY

Mr_Toad wrote: »

Would that be the same as you continually missing out on the SPD rating being 1333MHz in the Tech Specs?

And the the fact that the memory is tested to PC3 12800 and will run at 1600MHz with the XMP profile?

It's all there in the spec and you did say you read them.

Caveat Emptor.

You obviously don't want to hear any comments that disagree with you.

Good luck

No it's the point that Memory is being sold as PC3 12800 when it actually is PC3 10700. You're not accepting the facts.

What is XMP?

What level of technical ability do you have with computers?

Are you employed by any outlet that sells memory?

These questions are asked to get an idea of your authority within this thread

If you're 'tested' over 100 meter sprint doesn't make you Hussein Bolt. Now does it?
Using Latin doesn't make you any more intelligent than the next man

the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made.

As it was and still is stated on every retailers sites the memory is sold as PC3 12800 (1600MHz)

Ignorantia juris non excusat

privateILLY

I did check the 'quality and suitability'. Quality and suitability are not in question it is suitable and the quality is fine it's the actual fact it is PC3 10700 that is grinding my gears.

I purchased or I believed PC3 12800. It was purchased from a seller/retailer not the manufacturer I read reviews I compared various kits amongst different manufacturers. I've also been to stores and they don't have every manufacturers item list/specs on the display other than PC3 12800

Testing a 1600cc engine to 2000cc speeds doesn't make it 2000cc !

Mr_Toad

privateILLY wrote: »

No it's the point that Memory is being sold as PC3 12800 when it actually is PC3 10700. You're not accepting the facts.

What is XMP?

What level of technical ability do you have with computers?

Are you employed by any outlet that sells memory?

These questions are asked to get an idea of your authority within this thread

I think that the hi-lighted part of your reply may be the problem.


XMP is a built in ability to run at higher clock speeds. To do this requires that the memory is not only capable of running reliably at the higher speed and must be rated as such which it is.

XMP also means when you don't need the extra speed, during everyday computing the memory can be run at the slower SPD rating. Changing the performance is done via the XMP profile. If you are gaming you load the gaming profile 1600MHz. If you aren't gaming you load the slower profile. This is done in the BIOS if it supports XMP or with an XMP tuning application if you don't have BIOS support

The memory is PC3 12800 - it is tested at and will run reliably at 1600Mhz and is therefore rated at PC3 12800 despite having an SPD of 1333MHz.

You use a motoring analogy in one of your replies. To use something similar - Why by a car with an engine that will only run at 70mph when you can buy one that will also run at 30mph, it will still do 70mph when required and you can use it in town at 30mph as well.

I have no authority in this or any other thread but since you ask:

I have a BSc in VLSI (Very Large Scale Integration) Design and spent my entire working life building, maintaining and programming everything from PCs to servers ending up as an Oracle DBA, which is where my user name and avatar come from - Total Oracle Application Development.

privateILLY

Mr_Toad wrote: »

I think that the hi-lighted part of your reply may be the problem.


XMP is a built in ability to run at higher clock speeds. To do this requires that the memory is not only capable of running reliably at the higher speed and must be rated as such which it is.

XMP also means when you don't need the extra speed, during everyday computing the memory can be run at the slower SPD rating. Changing the performance is done via the XMP profile. If you are gaming you load the gaming profile 1600MHz. If you aren't gaming you load the slower profile. This is done in the BIOS if it supports XMP or with an XMP tuning application if you don't have BIOS support

The memory is PC3 12800 - it is tested at and will run reliably at 1600Mhz and is therefore rated at PC3 12800 despite having an SPD of 1333MHz.

You use a motoring analogy in one of your replies. To use something similar - Why by a car with an engine that will only run at 70mph when you can buy one that will also run at 30mph, it will still do 70mph when required and you can use it in town at 30mph as well.

I have no authority in this or any other thread but since you ask:

I have a BSc in VLSI (Very Large Scale Integration) Design and spent my entire working life building, maintaining and programming everything from PCs to servers ending up as an Oracle DBA, which is where my user name and avatar come from - Total Oracle Application Development.

XMP

5) What is XMP?

XMP is a feature of most current motherboards using an Intel chipset (X58, P55, etc.) which allows for simple overclocking of your memory. Overclocked memory modules often must be manually configured in your BIOS in order to achieve the overclocked settings. A memory module which supports XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile) allows you to simply enable XMP mode in the BIOS which would then automatically configure your memory settings for the correct voltage, speed and latency values. Please contact your motherboard manufacturer to see if your motherboard supports XMP.

How many times is overclocked mentioned along with eXtreme memory profile. Define extreme.

Straight from corsair's site

If the car running at 70 was purchased for the reason of running at 70 why would I buy a car running at 30? Your analogy is way off.
If the car I purchased was specifically a car that does 70 I wouldn't expect to have a car 'tested' or 'extreme' overcharge to reach 70

Buying any motor vehicle can achieve 100MPH this day and age. The stresses on each will be different. A 4 cylinder 1000cc engine will have to work harder than a 4 cylinder 2000cc to maintain any given speed.

I study BSc in computing and IT. I have a certificate in same subject, I have a diploma from the BMF (builders merchant federation) along with NVQ 3 in motor vehicle technology (time served(grease monkey/mechanic)) this is the equivalent of City and Guild same level. I have and still do build/refurbish PC's. And 3r's

If I said I am Jason Stathom does that make it true?

Being tested AS doesn't make it so. They will have tested it at higher speeds. 1600 would have been the most stable OVERCLOCK!

I have another PC if you cared to read the first post that I purchased DDR3 1600. Do you know what I got? That's right DDR 1600 or PC3 12800 spd 1600 or DDR 800 or 800x2 =1600

privateILLY

Another instance could be you bought a dell xps with an x58 chip set this is a first gen i7 xps machine the memory it arrived with was 8Gb PC3 12800 you want to upgrade to the max of 24Gb it's a faily old machine so you look online for an 'upgrade' Your search criteria is either DDR3 1600 or PC3 12800. The search results are many so you browse through. you come across a retailer selling PC3 12800 'suitable upgrade' you buy it. Now dell doesn't ship with XMP you don't know this you put in the memory it boots your pleased. Now it starts to run slow? (how many times as that phrase been used) You're not tech savvy but you're also not inexperienced. You're running windows 7 64bit and decide to re run the WEI (windows experience index) your previous slowest was the hard drive at 7.7
CPU 7.8
Memory 7.8
Graphics gaming 7.9
Graphics business 7.9
Hard drive 7.7
After the test you see not only you hard drive is 7.7 but your memory has dropped to 7.7
Your PC3 12800 is running at (spd 1333(667)) but you bought 1600.
Out of curiosity what memory are you running?
and read the implications of XMP if a reply here didn't verify what I said.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ram-speed-running-advertised-try-turning-xmp-watch/

enkoda

Sorry, privateILLY, you haven't got a clue what you're on about. You've got yourself in a hissy fit because you've failed to understand what has been researched and presented to you.
You haven't read and understood the manufacturer's spec or the spec from a seller that you quoted. It literally took me a few seconds to find this info.

Anyway, let's get this train-wreck of a thread nailed on the head shall we?
My responses in bold:

Reported for trolling
Pot, kettle, black?

But while your here

1. If you buy a 7200RPM HDD you don't expect to receive a 5400RPM 'sped up'
Does the 7200RPM drive operate at 7200RPM or does it refuse to spin faster than 5400RPM? I might 'expect' it to come with a cheque for a million pounds, but unless the seller/manufacturer specifically states that I will, then I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

2. You clearly have access to the world wide web. Images of packaging are in abundance!
Got me there, I actually couldn't be bothered.

3. XMP or (tested at) are NOT jedec SPD. XMP is Extreme Memory Profile or in layman's terms overclocked.
You are correct and no one is claiming anything to contrary. You still fail to understand what myself, Mr_Toad, a seller, and the manufacturer are saying.

4.It seems mud would be clear to you
Yet I still managed to read and understand the tech specs from a memory manufacturer.

5. contradiction to your previous regarding only having access to the manufacturers site
Looking at the Cas Latency from your 'snippet' you're looking at the wrong memory as mine is CL9. Which is irrelevant as the main issue would be that the memory you'll be viewing will probably state PC3 12800
You really are digging yourself a hole. I checked the specs of numerous modules listed and for each one they all state SPD speed as 1333MHz and tested speed of 1600MHz.

6. I actually bought PC3 12800 (1600) clearly shown in the tec specs on both the manufacturers site and Balliecom amongst other retailers selling this memory.
You have memory that operates at 1600MHz,
You still fail to comprehend what is written in the manufacturer's FAQs, despite you yourself quoting something from that section.

You continually repeat the same rhetoric without actually grasping the concept. Telling yourself a lie often doesn't make it the truth. I wasn't about to thank you on the contrary I laugh at your attempt to deny what is in black and white. I only hope with your level of research you aren't in any way 'researching' things to aid humans or this could have catastrophic effects. You'll be enlightened when the penny finally drops. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen though.
A typical response from someone who is wrong, has been shown where they have gone wrong, can't accept they're wrong, and therefore has to resort to personal attacks on the very people who are trying to help you.
I truly despair for your studies if you can't get your head round this.

privateILLY wrote: »

Running at this natural speed the idling CPU dropped to as low as 1.4GHz now considering it's a 3.4GHz i7 that's quite impressive the highest it went was 2.6GHz still well below the 3.4GHz. now switching the XMP profile on had drastic results. Same scenario nothing running bar the real temp app and idling exactly as before the slowest speed was 2.8GHz climbing to 3.8GHz yes 3.8GHz that is in it's 'boosted' phase! I've actually turned off the XMP and it's running at it's 'natural' speed.

Are you now going to report Intel to Trading Standards because your i7 dropped below it's rated operating speed?:rotfl:

Anyway, good luck on your complaint. Please post back with how long it took Trading Standards to explain exactly what myself and Mr_Toad have already said to you.

privateILLY

Quite frankly enkoda I didn't expect anything knowledgeable being added and half expected tu quoque response.

You usually have 'nothing' to add like your admission in another thread I can only assume you just like the sound of your own keyboard.

Now I must stop feeding you :money:

enkoda

:wall:

Good grief, you really are stubborn.

Here is a cut & paste job directly from the Corsair website, using the product code you gave. It's from the Tech Specs tab, and the red box at the bottom is an insert from their FAQ & Support page:

Oh look, SPD Speed is 1333MHz and the Tested Speed is 1600MHz as I've been trying to explain from the outset.
Alas, I doubt you'll bother reading it because you believe you are right, contrary to the factual information plainly available for anyone to read.
At what point should Mr_Toad expect the same hostility and abuse for posting his comments?
Making snide comments at me isn't going to make you any less wrong than you already are.

P.S. I LOVE the sound of my keyboard, it's a Roccat Ryos MK FX with individual RGB lighting for each key, each modified with small rubber O-rings to help dampen the sound of the Cherry Brown switches! :j