Ford Ecoboost - engine failure

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agrinnall wrote: »

If your car is not one of the ones with the 44,000 (out of 600,000) engines that has the issue then no fix is required. And it seems likely that it's not one of those if it's not listed as being affected.

Very interesting you picked this fact out of Andy Barratt's BBC performance this morning on TV and midday on Radio 4.

He actually said "600000 produced and sold in the UK" listen to it again yourself. It could also be the number for all of the Ecoboost range from 1.0 up to 2.0litre and all the way to the 3 litre.

Rather than quote a biased CEO, please can you provide links to data? Like howmanyleft.co.uk Where I counted the number of 1.0 turbo Focus cars on the road. There are around 80k Focus 1.0 litre cars in the cohort currently failing 2012 to 2015, these are the models that have the highest incidence of reported failures in the group. 2016 reg plates are also starting to appear on the famous list... which is now at 1300 cars! I've been through this with you before Agrinal.

Statistics are cruel, so please use them carefully.

The reported 4% today was a statistic linked to degas hose linked engine failires, which are only part of the situation. There are way too many engine failures after degas hose replacement.

The take home today is, Ford have not addressed the root cause, i.e. no coolant level sensor, also an engine running too hot, with a fragile cylinder head. Any coolant malfunction and the engine cooks within minutes, as told by Ford engineers.

To all who read this post.... if Ford tell you they have fixed the problem, ask them to give you a live demo of a low coolant event in a new 1.0 litre Ecoboost and report back here please.

Stoke

TickersPlaysPop wrote: »

Very interesting you picked this fact out of Andy Barratt's BBC performance this morning on TV and midday on Radio 4.

He actually said "600000 produced and sold in the UK" listen to it again yourself. It could also be the number for all of the Ecoboost range from 1.0 up to 2.0litre and all the way to the 3 litre.

Rather than quote a biased CEO, please can you provide links to data? Like howmanyleft.co.uk Where I counted the number of 1.0 turbo Focus cars on the road. There are around 80k Focus 1.0 litre cars in the cohort currently failing 2012 to 2015, these are the models that have the highest incidence of reported failures in the group. 2016 reg plates are also starting to appear on the famous list... which is now at 1300 cars! I've been through this with you before Agrinal.

Statistics are cruel, so please use them carefully.

The reported 4% today was a statistic linked to degas hose linked engine failires, which are only part of the situation. There are way too many engine failures after degas hose replacement.

The take home today is, Ford have not addressed the root cause, i.e. no coolant level sensor, also an engine running too hot, with a fragile cylinder head. Any coolant malfunction and the engine cooks within minutes, as told by Ford engineers.

To all who read this post.... if Ford tell you they have fixed the problem, ask them to give you a live demo of a low coolant event in a new 1.0 litre Ecoboost and report back here please.

Any engine will run too hot without coolant. Ford, Fiat, VW, it doesn't matter. The root causes are the stupid plastic pipe. It's a terrible design because the engine is meant to move on it's mounts, the coolant header tank is not.

A rubber hose should fix that issue. The coolant level sensor should be added to ensure if it does affect anyone, they are quickly aware of temperatures going up and can shut off the engine.

MrA2012

agrinnall wrote: »

If your car is not one of the ones with the 44,000 (out of 600,000) engines that has the issue then no fix is required. And it seems likely that it's not one of those if it's not listed as being affected.

Thanks. This is also what Ford told me when I phoned about the safety recall on my car. The recall turned out to be for the clutch problem as suggested by a previous poster, and they assured me that my car was not one of those affected by the engine overheating issue and that nothing needed to be done in that regard.

Even so, I'll be checking coolant levels and temperatures a lot more frequently from now on!

hollie.weimeraner

MrA2012 wrote: »

Thanks. This is also what Ford told me when I phoned about the safety recall on my car. The recall turned out to be for the clutch problem as suggested by a previous poster, and they assured me that my car was not one of those affected by the engine overheating issue and that nothing needed to be done in that regard.

Even so, I'll be checking coolant levels and temperatures a lot more frequently from now on!

I'd ask them to put that in writing and when they say they can't I'd be asking why.

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Stoke wrote: »

Any engine will run too hot without coolant. Ford, Fiat, VW, it doesn't matter. The root causes are the stupid plastic pipe. It's a terrible design because the engine is meant to move on it's mounts, the coolant header tank is not.

A rubber hose should fix that issue. The coolant level sensor should be added to ensure if it does affect anyone, they are quickly aware of temperatures going up and can shut off the engine.

The Ecoboost runs very hot with full coolant, that is how it gets good emissions and mpg. The down side is when the coolant runs low it very often results in engine damage and a bill for £6000. That is where the Ecoboost is different to many other cars.

Additionally the whole coolant system doesnt seem to be robust enough, including the degas hose, heater matrix connections, reservoir tank, and other seals around the engine. As Ford incorrectly claim, it is not an issue only related to the degas hose. It seems the very high temperature and pressure puts too much strain and stress on the parts.

As such, Ford should have before now implemented a modified preventative maintenance schedule to replace these parts before they fail. Plus design and fit a coolant level sensor to the 1.0 litres, because they will keep failing often without dash board warning, even the new ones they fit which are no different to the original design.

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List up to 1500 plates now! See fordecoboostnightmare group on Facebook.

After all the excitement of Ford seemingly to finally care about their ecoboost customers and pay for replacement engines and consider historical cases to cover costs paid by car owners.... see the reality in the legal letter they ask you to sign!...

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/4GWz

This potentially prevents any future compensation claim. It doesn't state if the engine is new or reconditioned, ( Ford have not been issuing new engine numbers by the way) doesn't state if the replacement engine has more than 1 yr warranty on it which is all Ford have previously offered.

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Here is a statement from the legal field...

"We have had a number of people approaching us regarding the letter Ford have issued asking customers to sign in respect of the repairs to their car. Whilst it is a personal decision for you to make, we have been advised that the wording that we have seen attempts to prevent you from making any claims in the future should something further go wrong with your vehicle. Although it may be possible to challenge the extent of the agreement, we have been advised that you would have to persuade a court that you could make a further claim which Ford will dispute, which could result in a long and costly process. Depending upon the cost of your repair you may want to consider paying for it yourself so that you are still able to make a claim in the future. We would also recommend that if you are having your engine replaced that you ask if your new engine is actually 'new' or re-conditioned and whether it will have the same warranty as a new car."



Yes that is right.. the engines they put in are only given 1 yr warranty and it is strongly suspected that they are reconditioned. So they force you to accept strong possibility of no further help at the same time as giving you the same flawed engine with all its problems. Also, no new engine number which is a very interesting area of debate.

Stoke

Ford rapidly destroying their reputation.

fred246

I had the choice of a 1.0 ecoboost or 1.25 Zetec. The motoring press was gushing with it's praise of the ecoboost. What a marvellous engine. Only an idiot would buy a 1.25. I googled 1.25 Zetec reliability. Problems virtually unheard of. Coil packs could be a problem but looked a five minute job to change. I looked at spare parts prices. £50 for a 1.25 battery, £150 for an Ecoboost. Must be due to start stop technology. I think the thing that really swayed it for me was the number of cylindes. V12,V8,V6,4. 3 cylinders. That's an odd number. I only buy cars with an even number of cylinders. I felt like a real dinosaur ordering the 1.25. So glad I did now.

Stoke

fred246 wrote: »

I had the choice of a 1.0 ecoboost or 1.25 Zetec. The motoring press was gushing with it's praise of the ecoboost. What a marvellous engine. Only an idiot would buy a 1.25. I googled 1.25 Zetec reliability. Problems virtually unheard of. Coil packs could be a problem but looked a five minute job to change. I looked at spare parts prices. £50 for a 1.25 battery, £150 for an Ecoboost. Must be due to start stop technology. I think the thing that really swayed it for me was the number of cylindes. V12,V8,V6,4. 3 cylinders. That's an odd number. I only buy cars with an even number of cylinders. I felt like a real dinosaur ordering the 1.25. So glad I did now.

This is something I've mentioned in this damned thread, but nothing will change because the Motoring Press are absolutely useless at their jobs... I've said the same for Mobile Phones to be fair. The Motoring Press when it comes to reviewing cars are beyond useless unless you consider their reviews a superficial pass of the car. Look, I have no opinion on whether Ford (or any other manufacturer for that matter) put the journalists up in luxury hotels with all expenses paid and give them the top end model.... I suspect that happens in many walks of life to establish a favourable review. However, the reality is, no 'new car' review can ever be taken seriously, because they just don't cover the problems you'll get in the future. Like I said before, you just look at the hatchback wars in the 90's and the Motoring Press almost universally landed on the Ford Ka as the best option and it even won awards...... in retrospect, history will judge the Ford KA as probably the worst of those hatchbacks in the 90's vs the Lupo, Clio, Corsa, 106, 206, pretty much all of them. The problem is, most discerning buyer went ahead and got the KA, because that's what the Motoring Press told them to do.

I've said for years that turbo'ing small engines for the sake of EU Regulations vs BHP is a dangerous move as well.