Eeeek....police?

Billy_Bullocks

sun-n-moon wrote: »

You are a nastly little piece of work are'nt you? Ill mannered and illbred I presume. I think my, old school, middle aged 6'2" policeman son would be amused at being called new. I assume he knows better than both of us. Calling my son on a forum is crossing a line by the way. I assume you are a petty little internet troll sitting in your darkened room looking for a reaction. I am therefore filing you away under "petty little ignoramous to be ignored". Don't bother replying. Not listening.

Go ask him he'll not tell you I'm wrong. I know as much if not more than him.

George_Michael

AdrianC wrote: »

"...or other hand-held interactive communication device...", explicitly including internet access and text messaging, even if it's not actually being used for communication at the time.

So fiddling with the satnav or traffic app? Definitely within.

A traffic app may well fall within the realms of "an interactive communications device" as they often receive written messages warning of delays and diversions but I can't see how a satnav would count as it doesn't receive any written messages, documents or images.

Car_54

George_Michael wrote: »

A traffic app may well fall within the realms of "an interactive communications device" as they often receive written messages warning of delays and diversions but I can't see how a satnav would count as it doesn't receive any written messages, documents or images.

The legislation applies to a device "which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data."

A satnav receives data, but the word "and" seems to exclude a simple satnav, but not one which transmits its position to enable it to relevant traffic info.

George_Michael

[quote=[Deleted User];72088362]The legislation applies to a device "which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data."[/QUOTE]

Do any satnavs actually transmit the vehicle position or do they just receive all local traffic data and compute routes and detours internally?

Even if they do transmit the vehicle's position, what is stated is only a loose interpretation of the actual legislation. There is no mention of the word "data" actually stated in it.
For a device to qualify as being interactive, it must transmit one of the following:

i) sending or receiving oral or written messages;
(ii) sending or receiving facsimile documents;
(iii) sending or receiving still or moving images; and
(iv) providing access to the internet;

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/made

wapow

If you feel the need to judge him the way you just did, the only vile and vicious, controlling individual here is YOU. Its disgusting that you call him a nasty little piece of work. You truly are a vicious lady.

sun-n-moon wrote: »

You are a nastly little piece of work are'nt you? Ill mannered and illbred I presume. I think my, old school, middle aged 6'2" policeman son would be amused at being called new. I assume he knows better than both of us. Calling my son on a forum is crossing a line by the way. I assume you are a petty little internet troll sitting in your darkened room looking for a reaction. I am therefore filing you away under "petty little ignoramous to be ignored". Don't bother replying. Not listening.

Hermione_Granger

wapow wrote: »

Its disgusting that you call him a nasty little piece of work. You truly are a vicious lady.

Are you sure about that?

sun-n-moon wrote: »

. Calling my son on a forum is crossing a line by the way.

Who was the person that originally mentioned your son on this forum?

Car_54

George_Michael wrote: »

Do any satnavs actually transmit the vehicle position or do they just receive all local traffic data and compute routes and detours internally?

Even if they do transmit the vehicle's position, what is stated is only a loose interpretation of the actual legislation. There is no mention of the word "data" actually stated in it.
For a device to qualify as being interactive, it must transmit one of the following:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/made

You need to read the whole regulation. It specifically refers to data (section 4):

'A device referred to in paragraphs (1)(b), (2)(b) and (3)(b) is a device, other than a two-way radio, which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data.'

The full text of 6(c), which you have quoted selectively, is:

'“interactive communication function” includes the following: (i)sending or receiving oral or written messages;
(ii)sending or receiving facsimile documents;
(iii)sending or receiving still or moving images; and
(iv)providing access to the internet;'


The key word is 'includes' - these are examples, not a definition.

George_Michael

So why doesn't the legislation simply state "any device which transmits data"?
Another way for them to have written it would have been to state "Includes but not limited to", but they chose not to do this.

AdrianC

George_Michael wrote: »

AdrianC wrote:

"...or other hand-held interactive communication device...", explicitly including internet access and text messaging, even if it's not actually being used for communication at the time.

So fiddling with the satnav or traffic app? Definitely within.

A traffic app may well fall within the realms of "an interactive communications device" as they often receive written messages warning of delays and diversions but I can't see how a satnav would count as it doesn't receive any written messages, documents or images.

My poor wording. I meant "satnav app" rather than satnav (device).

shaun_from_Africa

[quote=[Deleted User];72089501]The key word is 'includes' - these are examples, not a definition.[/QUOTE]


Can you imagine the outcome in court if someone was prosecuted and the CPS stated that although the specific thing that they were being charged with wasn't stated in any legislation, there were examples of similar but different things in there!