Do I tell DWP ?

rockingbilly

50Twuncle wrote: »

entitlement to PIP - Mobility maybe - but CARE is the same as DLA only I have far greater needs than 12 years ago when I was given medium care on an indefinite basis - so they will have to try extremely hard before they remove that from me !
I WILL appeal and keep on appealing

You may well have been given MRC - DLA 12 years ago, but PIP is totally different to DLA. For a start it assesses you completely different. With PIP you have to fit enough descriptors to get points - DLA was all about looking at each individual's needs in the round.
I qualified for Middle Care & High Mobility indefinite - DLA, and I am in the middle of moving from DLA to PIP.
Looking at the descriptors I can't honestly see where I would get any points - the descriptors are so narrow in their meaning.
As I also said earlier I have two medical reports that say I cannot walk more than 10 yards - but I know I that the walk they make you do for PIP is at least 20 yards. So by walking from the waiting room to the assessing room will cast doubt on both of those reports.

Based on what you have said so far - I would think that you will have to go through the appeal system. Unfortunately doing that it can take up to 12 months without any DLA or PIP payments.

antrobus

50Twuncle wrote: »

This is the problem - By not giving them the information, when they don't ask - is that wrong?....

Yes. It also might be considered a criminal offence.

Fraud by failing to disclose information
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/3

antrobus

rockingbilly wrote: »

..As I also said earlier I have two medical reports that say I cannot walk more than 10 yards - but I know I that the walk they make you do for PIP is at least 20 yards. ....

The DWP has gone metric, so it's metres that count.

rockingbilly wrote: »

..So by walking from the waiting room to the assessing room will cast doubt on both of those reports....

Are you saying that the medical reports are wrong or outdated, and that you can stand and then move using an aid, walk for 20 metres? Obviously, if you can't then you won't be able to make it from the waiting room to the assessing room without a wheelchair or similar.


Subject, of course, to the usual qualifiers.

w06

so you walk 100 yards to and from work everyday that you work but want to appeal that at best "Can stand and then move unaided more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. "

TheNickster

50Twuncle wrote: »

I am on the verge of applying for a transfer from DLA to PIP
I need to know whether DWP need to be aware that I am working for 3 half days a week ?

I see nothing on the application form - specifically asking this - but when I am assessed - the assessor may ask how I get to work (I drive 1 mile and walk 100 yards to my place of work) - This is important - since at the moment, I receive DLA mid care - and am now hoping for Mobility to be added (I had a new knee 6 months ago and it helped in reducing pain but not mobility), if they know that I can just make (struggle) 100 yards - then they may give me zero mobility points.
Do DWP talk with HMRC
What they don't need to know - they will not be told !

It's not that you can walk 100 yards twice a day going to and from work but whether you can do do so:-

1 Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to yourself..
2. To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
3. Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required - so not just twice a day going to and from work. You are entitled to have leisure activities as well.
4. In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.

You say you struggle to walk a hundred yards that suggests you are in pain and it takes you far longer to walk 100 yards than an able bodied person would.

In that case 50m to 200m option is probably wrong for you and the less than 50m option is more suitable or even the less than 20m option especially if there is significant danger of falling or exacerbating your condition.

Be prepared to may have to prove to the assessor/appeal board that you do struggle to walk.

50Twuncle

antrobus wrote: »

The DWP has gone metric, so it's metres that count.



Are you saying that the medical reports are wrong or outdated, and that you can stand and then move using an aid, walk for 20 metres? Obviously, if you can't then you won't be able to make it from the waiting room to the assessing room without a wheelchair or similar.


Subject, of course, to the usual qualifiers.

I am hoping for a home assessment...
And yes, I do resort to a wheelchair for shoppjng etc
I cannot stand, due to pain, for more than a minute or so...

50Twuncle

Ames wrote: »

I've known people to be asked at the face to face about their work history.

Although the limit for standard rate PIP is 50m it's not as simple as that - there's the safely, reliably, and repeatedly. If it takes you more than twice as long as a healthy person then in theory you should qualify but will probably have to appeal.

Can you get help from CAB or similar?

Doesn't the form as you how far you can walk (using aids if needed) less than 20m, 20-50m, 50-200m, 200m+ , it varies......
Are you saying that there are ZERO points if I can walk 50m + ?

Ames

If you tick the 50-200m box you'll get (I think) four points, unless they decide you can walk further. You need 8 points for an award to be made.

TheNickster

50Twuncle wrote: »

Doesn't the form as you how far you can walk (using aids if needed) less than 20m, 20-50m, 50-200m, 200m+ , it varies......
Are you saying that there are ZERO points if I can walk 50m + ?

No you only get ZERO points if you can easily walk more than 200m.


The mobility descriptor system works as follows:-

a. Can stand and then move more than 200 metres,
either aided or unaided- 0 points
b. Can stand and then move more than 50 metres
but no more than 200 metres, either aided or
unaided:- 4 points - aided means a stick or walking frame but not a wheelchair)

c. Can stand and then move unaided more than 20
metres but no more than 50 metres:- 8 points

d. Can stand and then move using an aid or
appliance more than 20 metres but no more than 50
metres:- 10 points
e. Can stand and then move more than 1 metre but
no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided:- 12 points

f. Cannot, either aided or unaided:- (i) stand; or (ii) move more than 1 metre:- 12 points

When filling out the form you should choose the the descriptor that I explained in post #16:-

"It's not that you can walk 100 yards twice a day going to and from work but whether you can do do so:-

1 Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to yourself..
2. To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
3. Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required - so not just twice a day going to and from work. You are entitled to have leisure activities as well.
4. In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.

You say you struggle to walk a hundred yards that suggests you are in pain and it takes you far longer to walk 100 yards than an able bodied person would.

In that case 50m to 200m option is probably wrong for you and the less than 50m option is more suitable or even the less than 20m option especially if there is significant danger of falling or exacerbating your condition."




in your case from what you have described with the right guidance in filling out the form you have a good chance of getting at the very least 8 points and probably more.

I really would get advice from the CAB or similar in filling out the form..

50Twuncle

TheNickster wrote: »

No you only get ZERO points if you can easily walk more than 200m.


The mobility descriptor system works as follows:-

a. Can stand and then move more than 200 metres,
either aided or unaided- 0 points
b. Can stand and then move more than 50 metres
but no more than 200 metres, either aided or
unaided:- 4 points - aided means a stick or walking frame but not a wheelchair)

c. Can stand and then move unaided more than 20
metres but no more than 50 metres:- 8 points

d. Can stand and then move using an aid or
appliance more than 20 metres but no more than 50
metres:- 10 points
e. Can stand and then move more than 1 metre but
no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided:- 12 points

f. Cannot, either aided or unaided:- (i) stand; or (ii) move more than 1 metre:- 12 points

When filling out the form you should choose the the descriptor that I explained in post #16:-

"It's not that you can walk 100 yards twice a day going to and from work but whether you can do do so:-

1 Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to yourself..
2. To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
3. Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required - so not just twice a day going to and from work. You are entitled to have leisure activities as well.
4. In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.

You say you struggle to walk a hundred yards that suggests you are in pain and it takes you far longer to walk 100 yards than an able bodied person would.

In that case 50m to 200m option is probably wrong for you and the less than 50m option is more suitable or even the less than 20m option especially if there is significant danger of falling or exacerbating your condition."




in your case from what you have described with the right guidance in filling out the form you have a good chance of getting at the very least 8 points and probably more.

I really would get advice from the CAB or similar in filling out the form..

Thanks - that's helpful