Electric cars

sweetsand

onlyfoolsandparking said:

sweetsand said:

Car going, vheiecles going 100% eletric will not really help the global air pollution stakes but it will help the bigger cities. London during lockdown had cleaner air and now its back to normal.
What worries me is though the gov is in denial is the fact we will not have the capacity to charge all eltric cars and eltric prices will shoot up in my jusgment as supply v demand will reuslt in price hikes if supply is hard to get.

Don't know about eltric cars but GOOD NEWS we definitely do have the capacity to charge all ELECTRIC cars so don't worry yourself about this. Maybe just treat your brain to a workout and concentrate (if it's not too difficult for you of course) on getting your facts straight.

https://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/lifestyle/cars/energy-firms-could-get-powers-cut-ev-charging-peak-times-2981296

onlyfoolsandparking

Buxton advertiser the hub of EV technology AND a National Grid spokesman says in the article they wouldn't have any problem coping with demand if everybody suddenly switched to EV's, you can't make it up can ya  

DrEskimo

sweetsand said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

sweetsand said:

Car going, vheiecles going 100% eletric will not really help the global air pollution stakes but it will help the bigger cities. London during lockdown had cleaner air and now its back to normal.
What worries me is though the gov is in denial is the fact we will not have the capacity to charge all eltric cars and eltric prices will shoot up in my jusgment as supply v demand will reuslt in price hikes if supply is hard to get.

Don't know about eltric cars but GOOD NEWS we definitely do have the capacity to charge all ELECTRIC cars so don't worry yourself about this. Maybe just treat your brain to a workout and concentrate (if it's not too difficult for you of course) on getting your facts straight.

https://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/lifestyle/cars/energy-firms-could-get-powers-cut-ev-charging-peak-times-2981296

The vast majority would not plug it in and have the car charge during peak demand though. It would make absolutely no sense to.

Why would I willingly pay as much as £0.15/kWh and charge it when I got home from work, when I could programme the car to charge from 00:30-4:30 for as little as £0.05/kWh?

There are even agile tariffs that track the whole sale price where you could get negative prices during the evening, where electricity is cheapest and the cleanest.

If vehicle to grid ever does take off, I would happily be paid to give energy back to the grid during peak hours! I have a 41kWh battery, and even with a 80mile daily commute I use only about 2/3rd of the capacity.

RichardD1970

sweetsand said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

sweetsand said:

Car going, vheiecles going 100% eletric will not really help the global air pollution stakes but it will help the bigger cities. London during lockdown had cleaner air and now its back to normal.
What worries me is though the gov is in denial is the fact we will not have the capacity to charge all eltric cars and eltric prices will shoot up in my jusgment as supply v demand will reuslt in price hikes if supply is hard to get.

Don't know about eltric cars but GOOD NEWS we definitely do have the capacity to charge all ELECTRIC cars so don't worry yourself about this. Maybe just treat your brain to a workout and concentrate (if it's not too difficult for you of course) on getting your facts straight.

https://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/lifestyle/cars/energy-firms-could-get-powers-cut-ev-charging-peak-times-2981296

Did you actually read the article? Or just seize on the headline to try to prove your point?

sweetsand

DrEskimo said:

sweetsand said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

sweetsand said:

Car going, vheiecles going 100% eletric will not really help the global air pollution stakes but it will help the bigger cities. London during lockdown had cleaner air and now its back to normal.
What worries me is though the gov is in denial is the fact we will not have the capacity to charge all eltric cars and eltric prices will shoot up in my jusgment as supply v demand will reuslt in price hikes if supply is hard to get.

Don't know about eltric cars but GOOD NEWS we definitely do have the capacity to charge all ELECTRIC cars so don't worry yourself about this. Maybe just treat your brain to a workout and concentrate (if it's not too difficult for you of course) on getting your facts straight.

https://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/lifestyle/cars/energy-firms-could-get-powers-cut-ev-charging-peak-times-2981296

The vast majority would not plug it in and have the car charge during peak demand though. It would make absolutely no sense to.

Why would I willingly pay as much as £0.15/kWh and charge it when I got home from work, when I could programme the car to charge from 00:30-4:30 for as little as £0.05/kWh?

There are even agile tariffs that track the whole sale price where you could get negative prices during the evening, where electricity is cheapest and the cleanest.

If vehicle to grid ever does take off, I would happily be paid to give energy back to the grid during peak hours! I have a 41kWh battery, and even with a 80mile daily commute I use only about 2/3rd of the capacity.

Thank you.
Would you recall the days when I was a young person when we only had the 3 tv channels and watching some big tv show where you had a viewing figure of 26million plus and during the advert as many got up to turn on the kettle, lights in other rooms and we would get a volatage drop.
From what I have seen of every gov and big orgs is that they make promises but rarely are right
They may be able to easily address eletric car charging by massively putting up prices. This happend with diesel cars when we were being sold these cars cause less polutin and I recall seeing a london bus and taxing chucking out black smoke and I thought surely this cant be right and at the time dlesel was cheaper, you know the rest.

Nuclear power plants will help but the risks with those are great and imagine one went off line, the impact that would have on England.

facade

onlyfoolsandparking said:

Don't know about eltric cars but GOOD NEWS we definitely do have the capacity to charge all ELECTRIC cars so don't worry yourself about this. Maybe just treat your brain to a workout and concentrate (if it's not too difficult for you of course) on getting your facts straight.

We only have 142,000 electric cars at the moment (https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/). However, if they all go for a 50kw fast charge at once, that works out to 7,100 MW, or 7.1GW, and the National grid maxes out at 50GW.

There is going to be an awful lot of charge management required if we get upto 10% of the cars in the UK  all electric (there are 38 million running about https://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/mobility), i.e. we had 3.8 million of them, and they were all on 7kw chargers that would be 50% of the grid capacity going into charging- bear in mind we get it to the high 40s in Winter, and that is burning a lot of gas for heating, we are really going to be In Trouble when they ban the use of fossil fuels for domestic heating & transport.

onlyfoolsandparking

facade said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

Don't know about eltric cars but GOOD NEWS we definitely do have the capacity to charge all ELECTRIC cars so don't worry yourself about this. Maybe just treat your brain to a workout and concentrate (if it's not too difficult for you of course) on getting your facts straight.

We only have 142,000 electric cars at the moment (https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/). However, if they all go for a 50kw fast charge at once, that works out to 7,100 MW, or 7.1GW, and the National grid maxes out at 50GW.

There is going to be an awful lot of charge management required if we get upto 10% of the cars in the UK  all electric (there are 38 million running about https://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/mobility), i.e. we had 3.8 million of them, and they were all on 7kw chargers that would be 50% of the grid capacity going into charging- bear in mind we get it to the high 40s in Winter, and that is burning a lot of gas for heating, we are really going to be In Trouble when they ban the use of fossil fuels for domestic heating & transport.

I'll concede it was a 'blanket statement' and you obviously know A LOT more than me regarding EV's (which wouldn't be difficult, you could write on a stamp what I know about this subject lol) but I do believe the infrastructure will evolve (as it has over the last 40 years) to accommodate the uptake in use of EV,s.

From what I can gather with the minimal amount of reading I have undertaken the only way the National Grid would struggle is IF and it's a big if imo everybody charged at the same time, DIDN'T partake in 'charge management' which would have to be unlikely seeing as EV owners are the most astute in getting the best in economical value terms AND the number of these vehicles jumped up massively, I mean based on the figures you quote 142,000 cars currently to 3.8 million is a fair leap in numbers, I take your point though and it is certainly interesting, I might even take the plunge one day and go EV if I am still around.

I'll look forward to the 'resident expert' coming back and telling me how wrong I was lol

 

CocoM2020

The coronavirus support thread is now getting a lot of their “advice”. 

Grumpy_chap

They should get on with Amy.

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Grumpy_chap said:

They should get on with Amy.

Who`s Amy