Electric cars

gzoom

AdrianC wrote: »

Umm, you said you bought it in March 2016? That's three years ago next month. Tempus fugit.

My mistake, we actually 'confirmed' the order of the car in June 2016, right after the Brexit result came out....You really didn't need to be a genius to guess which way the £ was heading at that point.


Ordering in 2016 'locked' in our invoice price till we took delivery in March 2017, which was set to time with our Leaf going back to Nissan.

NigeWick

azcn2503 wrote: »

Now just 53 weeks until delivery...

I was fortunate enough to drop on a second hand 64kWh Kona as the previous owner had complained that he'd been supplied the wrong colour interior. I had to pay what he paid for it even though it had 4,500 miles on the clock. It was £600 less than the one I'd ordered at the beginning of November and due August 28th so I'm happy with the price.

I do not think you will be disappointed when you get yours. Hyundai could sell a lot more if they would just make them. 53 week wait for a production vehicle is ludicrous, but, to be expected as the traditional manufacturers want to make their profits from fossil burners before they ramp up production of BEVs.

almillar

Saw an ad on TV yesterday for a Toyota hybrid that the voiceover described as a 'self-charging car'.

Yeah. That's via regeneration, which most EVs have, and of course, burning petrol to charge your battery - very expensive. Whilst slagging off plug-in cars, they forget that you have to pour petrol into their 'self charging' cars.

Martyn1981

Different version of the same story about BEV's being cheaper to own/run. Apologies for repetition, but clearly a significant issue.

Report: Electric Cars Already Cheaper To Own In Europe Than Gas/Diesel Cars

Martyn1981

More relevant to the G&E thread on green energy news, but I thought it might raise a giggle on here!

We were talking a while back about the possibility of fitting cheap thin film PV onto truck trailer rooves, well for an irony overload, how about oil storage tanks?

Sprague Energy Installs Flexible Thin Film Solar Panels On Its Oil Storage Tanks

The thin film panels weigh significantly less than conventional solar panels and do not require the complexity of a traditional racking system to install.

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Different version of the same story about BEV's being cheaper to own/run. Apologies for repetition, but clearly a significant issue.

Report: Electric Cars Already Cheaper To Own In Europe Than Gas/Diesel Cars

You do realise it's just another media outlet pointing back to the exact same December report, right?

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

You do realise it's just another media outlet pointing back to the exact same December report, right?

Yep, try reading what I posted, and what you quoted:

Different version of the same story about BEV's being cheaper to own/run. Apologies for repetition, but clearly a significant issue.

I appreciate that good news like this offends you deeply, and therefore you need (deeply need) to respond with some form of negativity, but I'm not posting it for you, but for anyone else that finds EV news and progress interesting.

If you are not interested, then you could, of course, ignore my post and the article, after all, I was careful to point out that it was a repeat in my comments, the very comment that you quoted, when asking if I knew it was repetition ..... kind of weird if you think about it - IF you think about it.

Nearly_Old

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Different version of the same story about BEV's being cheaper to own/run. Apologies for repetition, but clearly a significant issue.

Report: Electric Cars Already Cheaper To Own In Europe Than Gas/Diesel Cars

Difficult to get any real exact figures but just looking at the graphs, and taking into account that in the UK BEV is 5% cheaper than diesel so less than 5% cheaper than petrol (previous version). Then without the BEV subsidy and the company car tax benefit it looks as if there is very little difference between petrol and BEV?

gzoom

Nearly_Old wrote: »

Difficult to get any real exact figures but just looking at the graphs, and taking into account that in the UK BEV is 5% cheaper than diesel so less than 5% cheaper than petrol (previous version). Then without the BEV subsidy and the company car tax benefit it looks as if there is very little difference between petrol and BEV?

Not sure what graph your looking at but the diesel Golf is coming in at just under €45k and the eGolf €33k, thats a tad more than 5% difference.

Bare in mind BIK for EVs is dropping to 2% for 2020 if that affects you.

There is no point not taking tax/EV grants into the calculation as the one thing you can be certain of in life is tax .

As I've already posted the REAL LIFE longterm ownership costs of EVs is staggeringly low.

Am paying £0 VED, 2.5p per mile in fuel, no servicing costs in 20k (and none for another 10k at least) all in a 2.5 ton, 6 seater SUV that does 0-60 in under 5 seconds. No petrol/diesel car can get close to those running cost figures, let alone one with similar performance.

Deprecation is another area EVs are really strong at present, thats across the range from 4-5 year Leafs holding their prices really well, to Kona EVs currently been sold ABOVE list price due to massive demand, and 'premium' EVs like Tesla/iPace commanding really strong used prices.

Put it another way if your about to spend £30k+ on a brand new car, which do you think will be more relevant in 2027? A diesel, petrol, or EV version of that car?

Martyn1981

Nearly_Old wrote: »

Difficult to get any real exact figures but just looking at the graphs, and taking into account that in the UK BEV is 5% cheaper than diesel so less than 5% cheaper than petrol (previous version). Then without the BEV subsidy and the company car tax benefit it looks as if there is very little difference between petrol and BEV?

But it's still early days for BEV's, they are far from mature, with both production costs and battery costs still falling. So that should more than balance out the current subsidies.

Given the enormous true cost of automotive pollution on both our health and the environment, then for a fairer comparison, externality costs should also be included. For instance, coal is just about the cheapest form of leccy generation (though PV and on-shore wind are starting to beat it in some countries), but when you add on the externality costs of air pollution, NHS spending, AGW etc, coal actually becomes the most expensive form of leccy generation, by quite a large margin.

Also worth pointing out that in the UK, and all across the world, emissions from leccy generation are being addressed, but space heating and transportation are harder nuts to crack. But, with an economically positive shift to EV's, especially BEV's, that nut cracks itself.

Sorry to get all green and preachy, but sometimes it's worth noting that subsidies are often not subsidies these days, but simply playing field levelers.