Electric cars

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Perhaps, if you'd watched the vid and thereby been 'more informed' (the reason I posted it), we wouldn't have to waste our time answering your negativity and confusion.

Storage allows for faster charging at the site.
Storage allows for a smoother draw on the grid.

Yes, I said that.

Storage allows for cheaper leccy for the site.

Only in that fatter connections are more expensive to install.

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

And a fun item showing that VW missed their 2018 EV target by 72%.

An 8 yr earlier forecast is not a target.

But, yes, I've said many times that the EV revolution isn't happening as fast as the predictions. Partly supply, partly demand. So, yep, thanks for agreeing with me.

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

An 8 yr earlier forecast is not a target.

But, yes, I've said many times that the EV revolution isn't happening as fast as the predictions. Partly supply, partly demand. So, yep, thanks for agreeing with me.

Hi

Are you really sure of that? ...

Automotive OEMs and all supply chain tiers certainly target their long term strategic planning on forecasting over periods often well in excess of two full platform model cycles, which would generally equate to 8-10 year planning horizons.

The issue here is that the strategy isn't to simply introduce an incremental change in technology for efficiency alongside a body shape transformation ... it involves considerable rethinking of the entire package encompassing powertrain, drivetrain, environmental control, management systems etc, effectively anything that makes a vehicle do what it needs to do to move, stop and keep the occupants safe & comfortable. All of this has been developed by concurrent engineering teams working to a development schedule which is designed to deliver a predefined number of vehicles on a predetermined date with platform level (as opposed to component level) build information being shared with development partners in the form of forecasts ...

This is what happens, OEMs work alongside Tier1 suppliers, especially so on safety critical components, and in turn Tier1 need to ensure that their own supply chain are capable of both producing goods & ramping up supply as necessary, often requiring multi-year horizons for their own decision making & lead times ... it has to be done & everyone has to be aware of the timeline & build volumes through reliance on forecasts & milestone targets ... considering that any change to the forecast build volumes or project milestone dates have considerable impact on the overall project cost, those responsible for formulating strategy are certainly aware that forecasts & targets in such a fundamental technology change are effectively the same thing, so someone in the organisation will undoubtedly be very disappointed & seriously pushing for vast improvements to rectify the situation.

HTH
Z

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Only in that fatter connections are more expensive to install.

Nope. It's not about the size of the connection, but about how much of the connection you use, especially at certain times.

I do wish you would look at the information before you post your negativity about the information you have failed to become informed about. It's all in the article, which you could have watched within the time period you have spent posting mistakes.

For commercial customers, they can face higher unit prices at peak times for the leccy, and also if they draw the leccy at a higher rate. So as the power (kW, not kWh) increases, so can the price.

This isn't new news, here's an article from a year or so back I remember posting elsewhere, on how batteries can save commercial customers money:

Siemens’ C&I customers offered ‘no-money-down’ energy storage financing

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

An 8 yr earlier forecast is not a target.

But, yes, I've said many times that the EV revolution isn't happening as fast as the predictions. Partly supply, partly demand. So, yep, thanks for agreeing with me.

So, shall I get the popcorn and sit back ready for the 100's of posts about VW not meeting their targets/forecast?

After all, you don't want to appear to be a hypocrite do you? Given that Tesla seem to be on target for their 2020 goals, but you got so, so upset that they couldn't meet Elon's overoptimistic hopes for the TM3 ramp up, I can only imagine how annoyed you will be over VW's utter failure to get even close to their goals?

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

So, shall I get the popcorn and sit back ready for the 100's of posts about VW not meeting their targets/forecast?

Depends if you start championing them blindly, whilst completely ignoring reality.

Since you've previously denied their showroom range even exists...

Martyn1981

Bit of a fudge, and quite confusing I think, but Tesla have now, sort of, started selling the $35k TM3, if you wanted the larger mid range battery (the Lemur) and a $5k luxury package, for $43k that is.

Baby steps, I suppose.

Tesla Model 3 Price Inches Down To $43,000 — Or $35,000 With Estimated $8,000 In Incentives & Savings

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Depends if you start championing them blindly, whilst completely ignoring reality.

Since you've previously denied their showroom range even exists...

Have to say, as anti-VW insults go, that's not at all clear.

Still, I'll munch away on my popcorn, and await the show, which I'm sure is on its way, after all, you don't want to come over as an anti-Tesla hypocrite, do you?

NigeWick

zeupater wrote: »

Are you really sure of that? ...

I think there is demand as the waiting time for a Hyundai Kona and Kia eNiro is already up to 12 months. And, Hyundai have allegedly increased the rate of production.

The week after I ordered a 64kWh Hyundai Kona, they upped the cost by £3,000. I presume in an effort to discourage prospective purchasers and make more profit.

It seems to me that traditional manufacturers are trying to get rid of ICE vehicles before they ramp up production to meet the demand.

The head of a Chinese battery manufacturer has stated that he expects the cost per kWh to be US$100 some time next year. That is the point where building a BEV will be the same as an ICE one. Combine the initial price with lower running costs and it spells the end for ICE vehicles in the not too distant future.

buglawton

Despite potentially lower build cost, even approaching ICE, I still expect EVs to be priced at an iPhone-like premium until the equivalent of Android arrives. In other words, we need disruptive new entrants.