Electric cars

buglawton

AdrianC wrote: »

The whole disabled-space analogy falls down on one major difference.

NOBODY chooses to be disabled.

So it's even worse of you CHOOSE to buy an EV?

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

The absolutest positions in this thread, regardless of nuance or balance or reality, are all coming from one side...

Yours?:beer:

You can't really blame him, you've spent the last however months on this thread abusing figures and misinformation to try and claim EVs aren't viable, and he's spent just as long correcting you.

For someone who's so pro EV you do a good job of convincing everyone otherwise.

silverwhistle

AdrianC wrote: »

If there's 20 chargers (£8.40/car x 20 = £168/day, £840/week, £44k/year - not to mention the extra 140kW demand), then as soon as there are 21 EVs, the last one in is not charging.

I'm not going to read the whole thread tonight to see if there's been any response, but I've commented before about how you always come up with problems and aren't very good with solutions. I believe I mused as to what work you did, as in my career I've always had to do both. No recall of getting an answer though.


I used to work for the electricity company locally, although not in the distribution or generation side. But the matter of diversity is pretty well understood at all levels. The system might suffer if we all turn on the kettle at the same time but over years practical experience and academic study of the issue means it's not a problem. It's the same with EVs. There will need to be changes all over the shop, but it gets very tiresome to read constant posts (not just here, either) which read as if the poster thinks they're insuperable barriers to adoption.

silverwhistle

I actually came on here to post a piece I saw about battery production, and it might have been in relation to German investment. I think it it was the Boston consulting Group (?) that said with the ramp up in production there would be over-production in 2/3 years and profitability would suffer for new entrants.



I ws wondering if anybody else saw that and what they thought? I can't see it myself: for every 24/30 kWh Leaf we had in the past we'll have larger numbers of 64kWh Konas and the like. EV bus production in China is massive (how much does each one use?), home storage will become more cost effective.


Order times for EVs are still long, choice is still limited but expanding. If battery availability improves I can see manufacturer's confidence in ramping up EV production increasing and the volumes stabilising prices in a beneficial way for sales.



It seems very much 'watch this space' in the whole sector.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

<sigh> I've never said there IS an inherent problem. Quite the opposite. But, of course, we know that you aren't looking much past the poster name, are you?

The absolutest positions in this thread, regardless of nuance or balance or reality, are all coming from one side...

Sorry Ade, I keep forgetting you are pro-EV, I get distracted by all the false claims, mistakes, spin and FUD you post that are anti-EV.

I assume your claims that the Tesla trucks at the launch were only stage locked mock-ups (despite mules being so quick and easy to build), and your continued claim that US F-150 sales are 22x greater than TM3 production, when the true figure is just 2x ..... are actually you showing your support for EV's over and over again.

Should I assume you are also pro-Tesla based on your rabid anti-Tesla postings too?

almillar

You were saying that all spaces would have to have chargers as the car parks are always full.

He kept using the word 'hoses' which just about sums out his understanding and openness to the subject.

Thus removing precious spaces from general motorists who don't happen to need a charge.

What if, and concentrate now, some of the cars in the car park are actually electric!? It'll happen! If you think that EV spaces do get abused, and disabled ones do not, you live in a very different place from me.

Range-anxious EV drivers without their own driveways turning up with no idea in advance if they'll be able to charge or not at one of a handful of such reserved spaces. That's an idea that 'ain't gonna fly'.

They needn't be range anxious - they can do 200+ miles.

Interesting. There seem to be several types of incompatible fast charging systems and different payment schemes you need to belong to. How does Lidl cope with the variety?

There are 3 rapid plugs - Type 2 AC, CCS DC and Chademo DC. Lidl rapids seem to have all 3. And the're on the Pod Point network as Adrian says. You generally need to be registered via app or card for the network you're charging on. Plugging in is dead easy, there are 3 plugs (plus Tesla) to choose from. Payment methods could do with refinement.

Now imagine 6 more bays were allocated for actively charging EVs only but again, due to the statistics of random demand, they're not occupied. That's a borderline full car park now overflowing.

The car park isn't big enough. Top tip - if you break a leg, you could use the disabled spaces, or if you buy an electric car, you could park at the chargers and leave those other losers driving around!

yet PHEV's can park in either space - ICE or EV - since if the charging space is free

Sorry, hold on a sec, just to clarify for everyone, the charging spaces are only for - charging. An EV/PHEV shouldn't be in it unless charging. EVs should be allowed in non-charging spaces. That's the way it works here anyway, but I guess a supermarket could have that as their own policy.

'course, a BEV could park in either, too. If there's no need to charge, then there's no need to take the charger up.

Indeed.

Martyn1981

yet PHEV's can park in either space - ICE or EV - since if the charging space is free

Sorry, hold on a sec, just to clarify for everyone, the charging spaces are only for - charging. An EV/PHEV shouldn't be in it unless charging. EVs should be allowed in non-charging spaces. That's the way it works here anyway, but I guess a supermarket could have that as their own policy.

Please don't misquote me through selective editing, I said:

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Regarding PHEV's, as usual I'm afraid you have your facts and arguments back to front. You say PHEV's don't help me, yet PHEV's can park in either space - ICE or EV - since if the charging space is free, they can get a top up if necessary, or if the charging spaces are full, they can park elsewhere, no harm no foul.

The obvious point being, that as a PHEV if they are unable to find a charging space then it's not the end of the world, they can still drive around (on petrol), so no range anxiety from a carpark with full charging spaces.

Ade should also note when doctoring the stats to make the problem look worse, that not all BEV drivers will want to use the charging spaces - it'll depend on the cost/deal (free to premium) and their ability to charge at home on low rates.

Martyn1981

Tesla Model 3 Disqualified From 1st In Class Finish At Buttonwillow … For Being Electric

The track was indeed attacked at the Global Time Attack event, with the Tesla Model 3 taking the fastest time in its class, only to be disqualified (DQ) for being electric. The Model 3 had been hastily modified with MPP’s improvements, but that wasn’t what did the team in. After destroying the heavily modified petrol-powered competition with a 1:59.1 time, the honor of pegging the fastest time on the track was stripped for another reason.

Cameron noted that the Model 3 was the first electric car in a Global Time Attack event and that the organizers were actually excited about having a Tesla in the event, but they clearly weren’t prepared to let it actually compete. Ironically, hybrids are allowed in the competition and they use both gasoline and electrons, so the organizers were clearly grasping at straws to find a reason to disqualify the electric car from the race.

The protesting party was the racer who earned second place, making the protest a completely biased objection that came after the car was accepted into the competition, after several rounds of competition, and after the award was actually made. The world of racing is being turned on its head as decades of petroleum-powered racing tech is being put to shame by this new breed of electric race cars.

Herzlos

jeepjunkie wrote: »

Can't see the point of supermarket chargers. Although my local Tesco has two it's just really just a bit of fun. 0.71kWh does not really add much whilst picking up some items. Shopping malls perhaps more worthwhile but as these places are always rammed massive amounts of chargers would be required. Probably better to focus on residential charging be it on street/on premise, park and rides where cars are lest for periods of time, railway stations, MSAs, workplace etc Cheers

I'm not sure, my wife is never less than 30 minutes in Asda when 'just popping in quickly for some bread', so on a reasonably powerful charger she'd easily recoup the electricity from her daily routine. Make it the more usual 60 minutes and a fast charger will have got her back up to 80+%.


Or the car can just sit there and do nothing for the hour.

nowakee

The number of charging points needs to be ramped up massively. Volkswagen is expected to announce the retooling of two major factories in order to produce 200,000 units of the IQ Neo per year; plus the electric van Buzz and a (pointless) SUV.