Electric cars

Martyn1981

buglawton wrote: »

Like all supermarkets there is a handful of disabled wide slots at those near me.
People hunt for a space, park, leave. If one in 10 bays had a charging point, people would do exactly the same thing, ignoring that they are blocking a not needed charging point, because there are hardly any spare spaces.

Thanks, but that didn't answer the question. Do non disabled users fill those disabled spaces or do they respect them?

Also as seen in that supermarket carpark I posted some time back (forgotten the link now) they had 40 chargers serving 160 spaces, so that helps too.

In reality going forward, as more EV's are sold, more EV spaces will be needed and it will become a self fixing issue. As with the rollout of all new technology we will of course hear how it won't work because ........ but I'm sure that these doom and gloom predictions for EV's will fail to arrive, just like all the doom and gloom predictions of the past.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Not quite true, even if you qualify that to new vehicles.

The government has a formal goal of zero new IC cars by 2040, with <50g/km vehicles forming 50% of cars, 40% of vans by 2030. But - even now, more than 20 years away from that date - there is no "ban" being talked about.

The most recent government policy doc - this July - talks about the “majority” of new cars and vans sold in 2040 will be completely zero emissions, and all new cars will have zero emissions “capability”.
https://www.ft.com/content/30f7e328-8372-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929

The UK alone is not a big enough market to drive availability alone, anyway. Europe, together, maybe... but...

Meanwhile, the extent of the farce of subsidies for plug-in hybrids is undeniable...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853

...which is as much a failure of the way in which the old NEDC testing dealt with hybrids (plug-in or not) as anything more.

And remember, because the vast majority of those hybrids have been developed for global markets which are diesel-averse (especially the US and Japan), they're petrol - so are using more fuel than the non-hybrid diesel-only equivalent, even without factoring the extra weight in.

Yet more Ade predictions. Your finger tips must be getting tired from hanging on in there.

IC sales will collapse long before 2040.

AdrianC

Perhaps you should re-read that post. There are no predictions in there. I simply explained the reality behind the "2040" government goal.

NigeWick

Martyn1981 wrote: »

In reality going forward

I have ordered a 64kWh Hyundai Kona. I reckon the realistic range from full charge will be about 220 miles at motorway speeds. The USA EPA which is fairly realistic for general driving is 258. It will also accept 100kW charging when that rolls out, meaning 20% - 80% in say 20 minutes. Call economy 4 miles per kWh and that's a comfort break every 120-140 miles. That'll do me.

agrinnall

Interesting research today confirming that many PHEVs are bought simply for the tax advantages and are rarely or never used on electric power, which gives additional weight to the removal of the hybrid subsidy.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853

Herzlos

We're already hitting the point where it's almost a no brainer to buy a new EV over a new ICE for all but the lowest mileage users, and they didnt really exist 10 years ago. Given another 22 years do you think there will be much reason to get an ICE over an EV?

agrinnall wrote: »

Interesting research today confirming that many PHEVs are bought simply for the tax advantages and are rarely or never used on electric power, which gives additional weight to the removal of the hybrid subsidy.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853

Which is nuts, but ingress of the driver isn't paying for the fuel they've no real incentive to charge up. Fleet managers should be doing something there, but I honestly don't know what.
It's a real shame since they could probably have done a lot of journeys on electric only.

David_Aston

This mornings news item on phews.
I am failing to understand this. I did assume that both plug in and non plugins did put charge back into their batteries so that at some point they would turn of the ice and run electric. Is this not the case?

AdrianC

Yes, PHEVs do charge the battery regeneratively, plus by running the ICE a bit harder (which requires more fuel). You don't get something for nothing (regenerative braking comes close, true...)

David_Aston

And non plugins Adrian? Do they tend to charge more effectively than phew?

AdrianC

David_Aston wrote: »

And non plugins Adrian? Do they tend to charge more effectively than phew?

They have far smaller batteries.