Electric cars

Uxb

Herzlos wrote: »

New, and with all the features and running costs of the P100d? Impressive.

Well my last one bought at a year old and then I did 197000 miles over 20 years
Total overall costs including insurance, tax,service, fuel and of course the up front initial capital cost of it were 24 pence per mile.
Broke down en-route once - clutch cable failure.

What's the latest figures on a Tesla overall running costs?

Herzlos

Uxb wrote: »

Well my last one bought at a year old and then I did 197000 miles over 20 years
Total overall costs including insurance, tax,service, fuel and of course the up front initial capital cost of it were 24 pence per mile.
Broke down en-route once - clutch cable failure.

What's the latest figures on a Tesla overall running costs?

I honestly don't know what the TOC/TCO of a Tesla will be over 20 years / 200,000 years. It could easily be a lot lower than 24p/mile, since it'll require less maintenance, tax and fuel is under 5p/mile if it's even being paid for.

AnotherJoe wrote: »

The issue is, many of those PHEV's arent being plugged in, on the grounds they are essentially a BIK scam.

Is it that common? I mean, plugging PHEV's in where possible will give the driver up to about 20 miles free fuel so I'd assume most would do it where they can.

Even if not, is it really any difference from buying some of those greenline type cars that are just into the 0/30 tax bands but in reality put out more emissions and use more fuel. It'll also mean there will be more PHEVs on the used market for people who want to run on electric, and the higher sales should bring down the price slightly. So even if people are buying for the wrong reasons it's likely still a good thing.

zeupater

Herzlos wrote: »

... Is it that common? I mean, plugging PHEV's in where possible will give the driver up to about 20 miles free fuel so I'd assume most would do it where they can.

Even if not, is it really any difference from buying some of those greenline type cars that are just into the 0/30 tax bands but in reality put out more emissions and use more fuel.

Hi

On the original Plug-in-Prius the range was pretty restricted (~12-15miles) on a 4.4kWh battery which would charge at ~2kW, so not really enough range to cover a reasonable return journey and a charge rate which meant that it either wasn't worth charging before starting the return leg or would (as Stageshoot mentions) take up a charging space that could be put to better use .... the later version has double the battery capacity (8.8kWh) which provides enough range to get you through most 'normal' days (there & back), but although the charge rate has been increased to >3kW, it's still not really worth charging when not at home or at a destination with dedicated charging facilities (such as a workplace parking bay) ...

Getting there & back on a charge & plugging into a standard (but dedicated) 13A socket overnight whilst not tugging the 'range anxiety' strings provides a solution which suits most motorists and delivers a pathway which would be better suited to reducing vehicle emissions within a tighter timescale (2032) or delivering the 2040/50 targets earlier than expected with pure BEVs whilst battery supply & rapid charge infrastructure bottlenecks exist ...

HTH
Z

silverwhistle

Herzlos wrote: »

It'll also mean there will be more PHEVs on the used market for people who want to run on electric, and the higher sales should bring down the price slightly. So even if people are buying for the wrong reasons it's likely still a good thing.

Low mileage user here, so if I analyse my usage this last week:
- x2 taking aged parent for hospital checkups
- training in local city
- playing away match on Sunday
- x2? supermarket/DIY shed trips
- trip to the dump (ahem, municipal waste disposal..)

And so it goes... only one would have been iffy with a plug-in hybrid, and that was the fully loaded car for our most distant away match. Surplus on the solar PV even now, so could have been mostly done on home generation.


If I were still working in my former jobs of IT and then teaching most of the likely locations would also be within range.

daveyjp

Uxb wrote: »

Well my last one bought at a year old and then I did 197000 miles over 20 years
Total overall costs including insurance, tax,service, fuel and of course the up front initial capital cost of it were 24 pence per mile.
Broke down en-route once - clutch cable failure.

What's the latest figures on a Tesla overall running costs?

Have a look on youtube at US long term ownership reviews. The potential for an eyewatering bill just as the warranty expires is always there.

Failed drive motors, failed main screen (both thousands of pounds), condensation and water in the battery pack corroding connectors, worn spline shafts at 40,000 miles are a few issues I have picked up on.

Martyn1981

Uxb wrote: »

What's the latest figures on a Tesla overall running costs?

TESLA MODEL S HITS 300,000 MILES WITH LESS THAN $11,000 MAINTENANCE COSTS

During the first 300,000 miles the total combined maintenance and fuel costs of the Tesla Model S were $10,492, with a total of 12 days in the shop. Of these costs, $6,900 was scheduled maintenance and $3500 was headlight damage due to driving through deep water. Had this been an Mercedes S class, the scheduled routine maintenance and fuel would have been $86,000 ($52,000 maintenance and $36,000* fuel) with 112 days of servicing, or for a Lincoln Town Car $70k,000 ($28,000 maintenance and $42,000** fuel) with around 100 days of servicing.

Martyn1981

So, what does it mean?

We have a sudden swing in news coverage of Tesla, from mostly negative FUD, to a majority positive. We have one of the top Tesla shorts suddenly announcing they are going long on the company (not just no longer shorting it, but going long!) And we have the sudden announcement that Tesla is bringing the earnings call forward for Q3 to this afternoon (US Pacific time).

If the supplier of 8 out of every 9 BEV's in the US, and the top seller of BEV's in the world this year can get close to breakeven, or even go profitable, will that prove the way forward for transportation, or have little impact due to the shortage of batts in the world?

AnotherJoe

Herzlos wrote: »

Is it that common? I mean, plugging PHEV's in where possible will give the driver up to about 20 miles free fuel so I'd assume most would do it where they can.
.

I believe it is. Many reasons conspiring together. The real range for many of these cars is more like 10 miles on battery, so makes it hardly worth the effort, then as many are company cars and petrol is being paid for again are the savings worth it, then you may also need an app or a card to charge which is hassle as is finding the right place to park (all these issues with BEV drivers as well but they have no easy option of ignoring) .

Herzlos

That makes sense, I wasn't considering that company car drivers aren't paying for the fuel.

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

AdrianC wrote: »

Fine.

So...
If Tesla's Q3 2018 losses are less than $500m, I'm donating a fiver to Cardiff ARC, and a fiver to Guide Dogs.
If Tesla's Q3 2018 losses are more than $50m, you're donating a tenner to the Alzheimer's Society.

Agreed?

Yep, agreed.

Well, I'm very pleasantly surprised this morning.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45971786
$311m profit.


Full Q3 earnings letter - http://ir.tesla.com/static-files/725970e6-eda5-47ab-96e1-422d4045f799


Let's hope this is sustainable. Still north of $1.1bn cumulative loss for the year, of course.

My two fivers will be winging their way today, Martyn, with pleasure.