Electric cars

bugslet

AnotherJoe wrote: »

Most likely similar, there's far less to go wrong and the main component that woudl age, battery, swaps would get cheaper over time.

I don't think electric trucks would fit a triple shift system though, unless lower running costs compensated, there must be a substantial diesel bill with three shifts. Initially it's more likely they will be restricted to niche areas, but it's a massive niche with room to expand out of as battery tech improves, basically any truck that does 500 miles or less a day.

Battery Tech is the only thing holding them back and it's inevitable they will replace diesel, it's just a matter of when.

I was thinking that there was less to go wrong and if you look at - yes I'm being simplistic - the leaps and bounds of battery technology for phones, it isn't a big leap for even those of us who are clueless about electric trucks, to imagine that battery weight and life will be improved.

There are a couple of comments that I would make. I think whatever replaces diesel is some way off yet compared to cars, firstly because the improvement in diesel engines with Euro 6 means that they are way less polluting than they were -it has been suggested that the air that a Euro 6 sucks in is dirtier than the stuff that comes out of the exhaust in cities.

And the second thing is that some of the manufacturers have been heavily investing in CNG and LNG technology and trialling it with good results.

It's certainly interesting times.

And it's nice to see a thread where there is mostly discussion instead of a slanging match!

AnotherJoe

bugslet wrote: »

the improvement in diesel engines with Euro 6 means that they are way less polluting than they were -it has been suggested that the air that a Euro 6 sucks in is dirtier than the stuff that comes out of the exhaust in cities.

I wonder who suggested that? Was it a spokesperson for VW ?

molerat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43560478
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-fire-20180327-story.html
A bit of a spanner in the works.

NigeWick

Martyn1981 wrote: »

I think the batts are re-furbished, but from what I've heard that still means they are virtually as good as new.

I suspect that they will have taken out any "worn" cells and replaced them with good ones so I doubt one will get the same guarantee as if in a new vehicle.

Still a good idea though.

NigeWick

molerat wrote: »

A bit of a spanner in the works.

Shares 8% down? Perhaps a good time to buy if one had the cash.

Car_54

NigeWick wrote: »

Shares 8% down? Perhaps a good time to buy if one had the cash.

Or perhaps better to sell?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-is-just-months-away-from-a-total-collapse-says-hedge-fund-manager-2018-03-27?mod=MW_story_top_stories

bugslet

AnotherJoe wrote: »

I wonder who suggested that? Was it a spokesperson for VW ?

Haha that would be entertaining.

I used to have a link somewhere and posted it in DT at one point, I can't find it anymore, this is the only loose reference I can find.

http://business.cap.co.uk/cap-contract-hire-leasing-news/hgv-euro-5-vs-euro-6


But it probably comes from this

http://www.acea.be/automobile-industry/trucks-vans-buses/P144

The introduction of EURO VI has been a major achievement for trucks and buses, with regulated emissions being slashed to near-zero levels, down 98% since 1990.

Martyn1981

Car_54 wrote: »

Or perhaps better to sell?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-is-just-months-away-from-a-total-collapse-says-hedge-fund-manager-2018-03-27?mod=MW_story_top_stories

Google Tesla short sellers and see how many $bn's they've lost over the years betting against the company, or even trying to push the price down with negative stories.

AnotherJoe

molerat wrote: »

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-fire-20180327-story.html
A bit of a spanner in the works.

Right because there are no known cases of an internal combustion engined car crashing and catching fire ... oh, wait ....

AnotherJoe

Car_54 wrote: »

Or perhaps better to sell?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-is-just-months-away-from-a-total-collapse-says-hedge-fund-manager-2018-03-27?mod=MW_story_top_stories

"says hedge fund manager who is hugely exposed to shorting the stock and desperate to bolster his position"