Cashback Guide for Dummies

grumbler

thegoodman wrote: »

...If you follow the steps above everything will be fine

You can keep repeating this untruthful and misleading statement. Even if you repeat it 1000 times it will not become true.

OneADay

grumbler wrote: »

You can keep repeating this untruthful and misleading statement. Even if you repeat it 1000 times it will not become true.

Whats untruthful about it?

Why keep having a go at someone, if you don't like what they say, don't follow that advice - ignore it, move on. Let others decide for themselves and choose to act as they wish.

grumbler

OneADay wrote: »

Whats untruthful about it?

There are numerous facts (including my personal experience) proving that generally simply following the above 'steps' doesn't guaranty that 'everything will be fine'.

Why keep having a go at someone, if you don't like what they say, don't follow that advice - ignore it, move on. Let others decide for themselves and choose to act as they wish.

I do let them decide, but I think the more often this misleading information is posted, the more difficult it is to make the correct decision.

The above 'steps' are necessary, but not sufficient and for a newbie it is dangerous just to rely on this 'guide'.

The question our new 'expert' replied to was very specific - about porting. There is no need to use every opportunity to publish simplified and misleading 'guides' instead of just answering to the specific question.

ETA: in the past CPW companies required to prove porting by sending them the bill showing both the original and the ported number. I don't see this now on their website, but just logging into your account and changing the number doesn't look right to me.
How about such scenario?:

• I don't care about my credit history.
• I have old running account with Orange (no redemptions).
• I buy a new contract with Orange via a redemption deal with mobiles.co.uk.
• I log into my account with mobiles.co.uk and change the new number to the old one.
• I don't pay the bills for the new contract, keep submitting the bills for my old contract instead and keep getting the cashback.

OneADay

grumbler wrote: »

There are numerous facts (including my personal experience) proving that generally simply following the above 'steps' doesn't guaranty that 'everything will be fine'.

In reply, I can say to you what you have just said above is untruthful and mmisleading and you can say it a 1000 times and it won't become true.

Its your "personal" experience - just as thegoodman's comments are based on his personal experience.

Don't call it untruthful and misleading just because you do not like that poster - which is what I have picked up from the comments/replies I have seen other threads.

I have ported numbers with different retailers after purchase of a handset - either through email message, or via the retailer web site or via phone.

And I keep records of dates for cashbacks - update personal details with retailer where there is a change. Fallen foul once and that was a small retailer went bust around 2007 - lost £40 on last cashback but sold phone and was still in profit overall.

grumbler wrote: »

The above 'steps' are necessary, but not sufficient and for a newbie it is dangerous just to rely on this 'guide'.

In this case, what you want is to censor who can post in this thread? Or have some sort of monitor checking comments? If you trust the reader to make up their own minds, why worry so much?

And this is an open thread for people to comment in - not a sticky.

grumbler

OneADay wrote: »

In reply, I can say to you what you have just said above is untruthful and mmisleading and you can say it a 1000 times and it won't become true.

Its your "personal" experience - just as thegoodman's comments are based on his personal experience.

No. You can tell that the facts were untrue or that I was lying. Simple logic says that an example (or even many examples) cannot prove that the general rule is true. However one example can prove the rule wrong.

One (or many) positive experience doesn't prove that everyone is guaranteed to have the same positive experience.
One negative experience does prove that everyone is not guaranteed to have the positive experience.

Don't call it untruthful and misleading just because you do not like that poster - which is what I have picked up from the comments/replies I have seen other threads.

He is free to post his personal experience. I have nothing against this. However, if he draws incorrect general conclusions from his particular experience, I think that it is absolutely right to point out that these general conclusions are incorrect.

I have ported numbers with different retailers after purchase of a handset - either through email message, or via the retailer web site or via phone.

Many 'steps' in the above 'guide' had nothing to do with the porting that the original question was about.

And this is an open thread for people to comment in

Absolutely. That's why I feel free to make my comments when I find it nesessary.

OneADay

grumbler wrote: »

No. You can tell that the facts were untrue or that I was lying. Simple logic says that an example (or even many examples) cannot prove the rule true. However one example can prove the rule wrong.
One positive experience doesn't prove that everyone is guaranteed to have the same positive experience.
One negative experience does prove that everyone is not guaranteed to have the positive experience.

He is free to post his personal experience. I have nothing against this. However, if he draws incorrect general conclusions from his particular experience, I think that it is absolutely right to point out that these general conclusions are incorrect.

This is really gibberish - what the hell does this have to do with cashbacks?

"draws incorrect general conclusions" ??? - that is your opinion, don't call it untruthful and misleading just because YOU think that, let people decide for themselves.

grumbler

"If you follow the steps above everything will be fine" was the general conclusion that I disagree with.
I can easily prove that it is wrong and misleading. You cannot prove that it was correct.

OneADay

grumbler wrote: »

"If you follow the steps above everything will be fine" was the general conclusion that I disagree with.

And I disagree with you.

But if I agreed with you - I would not have called the original statement untruthful or misleading or make it true by repeating it 1000 times etc. etc.

I have seen plenty of repetition on this forum which truly is misleading and scare mongering - and I am not pointing the finger at you on that.

Silk

OneADay wrote: »

Whats untruthful about it?

Why keep having a go at someone, if you don't like what they say, don't follow that advice - ignore it, move on. Let others decide for themselves and choose to act as they wish.

What's "untrue" is the fact this forum is littered with threads from people who have followed the steps to the letter and still been denied cashback for one reason or another ....some have been savy enough to take legal action to obtain it and others have given up.

Grumbler is quite correct just following the rules doesn't guarantee payment and you know that just as well as most on here

grumbler

OneADay wrote: »

And I disagree with you.

There is a significant difference between me and you in this case.

Let's say, somebody makes a statement: "All birds can fly" (because all the birds they ever saw were able to fly).

I disagree with them and you disagree with me.

I can prove my point.
You cannot prove yours.