Penalty Notice from Council

Edwood_Woodwood

rich13348 wrote: »

A lane does not stop being a lane at the first sign but at the last sign where you are ordered to merge in turn.

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No traffic sign will direct you to "Merge in turn at the very last moment!"

If your right hand lane was merging into the left hand lane and there was 100 yards of queueing traffic to your left then you could merge at any point of that 100 yards.

Not leave it until the last possible moment!

Who you trying to kid?

takman

Edwood Woodwood:

I have now posted twice one of the reasons why you should merge in at the end in soke situations. But you keep ignoring it so nobody is going to take you seriously if you only reply to posts that are convienient for you, your just making yourself look stupid!.

Edwood_Woodwood

takman wrote: »

Edwood Woodwood:

I have now posted twice one of the reasons why you should merge in at the end in soke situations. But you keep ignoring it so nobody is going to take you seriously if you only reply to posts that are convienient for you, your just making yourself look stupid!.

The only thing that is stupid is your ignorance of the law.

I don't make the rules of the road, I just follow them.

Nobody is ever taught or directed to merge at the furthest possible point, one only does that because they run out of road to continue as they have ignored any other opportunity to merge earlier and to queue up.

If you choose to ignore the rules of the road then that is a matter for you, I am not to blame for that.

Rover_Driver

Where there is a lane drop, there are often arrows painted on the road before the reduction, advising traffic to move to the through lane prior the pinch point.
But you still get motorists who ignore the arrows and drive right to the pinch point, then force their way in, causing stop-start in the moving traffic, which increases the delays.
A simiar problem arises where there are no arrows, but signs warn of a lane drop.

rich13348

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

This is ridiculous!

The only reason you can give to continue to drive right up to the merge point is to make use of the road as much as possible until the merging lane ends, this just spreads the traffic wider rather than lengthening it.

There is still only the same amount of vehicles.

The ultimate effect still remains the same, for eg on a two lane road that merges to a single lane, only one vehicle at a time will be able to proceed, whether queuing single file or merging.

You must have seen the ensuing chaos caused at the merge point where a pinch point is created which wouldn't be there had drivers queued rather than attempt to gain an advantage?

Human nature shows that those who have queued in the correct lane then are reluctant to let vehicles merge into their lane because we all know what their game is.

What makes them more important?

I have driven to the speed limit on roads that I am familiar with where lanes merge into one where it isn't busy yet there will still be some driver who will speed up and use the lane that is ending just to get a car length in front!

The truth is you just don't want to queue and instead you slow down the traffic by creating a pinch point that would not be there had you queued in an orderly fashion in the first place and which is the correct procedure.

I have shown you that the rules inform drivers to get into the correct lane as directed.

Now, you show me any authority that says you should only get into the correct lane at the merge point?

Your interpretation of the rules as such is woefully inaccurate.
No one is trying to get one over on someone else. In normal medium level traffic there tends to be a 50/50 split or traffic in both lanes. I have already made this point but here we go again for the hard of reading. If everyone in lane 2 joins lane 1 as soon as the first sign appears at 800 yards the traffic would grind to a halt as everyone would have to slow down to make room for traffic coming over. Thus the traffic behind would brake harder and harder the further back you get until lane 1 grinds to a halt.
If everyone stays in their lane and joins at the end everyone letting 1 person in then the traffic would move smoothly there will be a slowing of traffic whatever happens. Also if everyone just stays in their lane, they would not get an advantage whatever lane they were in as both lanes would be stacked evenly. I can only assume that you consider people are wanting to 'jump the queue' as some certain people achieve an advantage at the moment by idiots like you swerving into lane 1 as soon as a sign appears like some Pavlovian response.

Are you really trying to tell me that if everyone merged from lane 2 into lane 1 when they passed the 800 yards or even the 2 mile sign that it would not slow the traffic down at all and that the traffic would not come to a halt just behind either of the signs whichever you choose?

rich13348

Rover_Driver wrote: »

Where there is a lane drop, there are often arrows painted on the road before the reduction, advising traffic to move to the through lane prior the pinch point.
But you still get motorists who ignore the arrows and drive right to the pinch point, then force their way in, causing stop-start in the moving traffic, which increases the delays.
A simiar problem arises where there are no arrows, but signs warn of a lane drop.

This is only a problem and is only perceived as forcing in because the ignorant or unaware drivers do not allow the other drivers to merge in and stay glued to the rear bumper of the car in front.

takman

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

The only thing that is stupid is your ignorance of the law.

I don't make the rules of the road, I just follow them.

Nobody is ever taught or directed to merge at the furthest possible point, one only does that because they run out of road to continue as they have ignored any other opportunity to merge earlier and to queue up.

If you choose to ignore the rules of the road then that is a matter for you, I am not to blame for that.

So in my example of the road that immediately merges after the roundabout you think it's best to get in as quickly as possible and cause congestion to block up the roundabout.

The worst kind of drivers on the road are the ones that blindly follow the rules and don't consider the situation they are in and adjust their actions accordingly.

Your the kind of person who would go at 60 MPH on a single track lane in the wet and if the Police stopped you then you would say "well the law says I can go 60 MPH down this lane so I haven't done anything wrong".

So you shouldn't just blindly follow the rules you should adjust your actions accordingly. If you can't see that then your a bad driver as simple as that!.

Edwood_Woodwood

rich13348 wrote: »

This is only a problem and is only perceived as forcing in because the ignorant or unaware drivers do not allow the other drivers to merge in and stay glued to the rear bumper of the car in front.

What a nerve, blaming the other drivers for being in the correct lane!

As in my earlier example, ie 100 yards of queuing traffic to your left with your right hand lane ending, why would you not take an earlier opportunity to merge within that 100 yards?

Why drive right to the limit of your lane ending?

It's because you want to queue jump, isn't it?

d123

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

I have shown you that the rules inform drivers to get into the correct lane as directed.

You haven't actually, taking part of a rule and selectively quoting it doesn't really show much.

Edwood_Woodwood

rich13348 wrote: »

Your interpretation of the rules as such is woefully inaccurate.
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No it isn't.

You're simply advocating widening the traffic build up, by making use of a soon redundant lane, as opposed to lengthening the traffic build up in a single file.

It's the same amount of traffic filtering.

Creating a pinch point, as your method does, simply creates havoc, we all see it every day.

With single file traffic then you just await your turn and it runs smoothly, albeit it takes time, as it does even with your method.

Again, show me any authority that states one should merge only at the maximum point of merge possible?