Penalty Notice from Council

d123

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

And nothing in the HC or legislations states to do what you say to do, as highlighted in bold.

rich13348's post on what he said was the correct procedure is the same as yours, no vehicle should be proceeding to the merge point if they were driving correctly in the first place.

The natural consequence of doing so is effectively queue jumping, why else do it?

To use the full capacity of the road? What a load of cobblers.

By continuing to the merge point then you are ignoring the queues in order to get in front of them, that is an offence, inconsiderate driving and in defiance of S 288 of the HC.

You're a road menace.

You don't seem to understand the rules all that well. Firstly, you didn't include all of Rule 288 (you also forgot to mention it deals with roadworks).

Road works, level crossings and tramways (288 to 307)
The Highway Code rules for road works, level crossings and tramways.

Rule 288
When the ‘Road Works Ahead’ sign is displayed, you will need to be more watchful and look for additional signs providing more specific instructions. Observe all signs - they are there for your safety and the safety of road workers.

You MUST NOT exceed any temporary maximum speed limit.
Use your mirrors and get into the correct lane for your vehicle in good time and as signs direct.
Do not switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic.
Take extra care near cyclists and motorcyclists as they are vulnerable to skidding on grit, mud or other debris at road works.
Where lanes are restricted due to road works, merge in turn (see Rule 134).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-works-level-crossings-and-tramways-288-to-307

The switching lanes is referring to some people's habits of continually switching lanes to try and be in the quickest moving lane, nothing to do with lanes merging which is covered further down (I've made it bold for you).

If the traffic is moving slowly and there is a reduction in lanes then merge in turn is the correct procedure.

Rule 134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158

RichardD1970

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

And nothing in the HC or legislations states to do what you say to do, as highlighted in bold.

rich13348's post on what he said was the correct procedure is the same as yours, no vehicle should be proceeding to the merge point if they were driving correctly in the first place.

The natural consequence of doing so is effectively queue jumping, why else do it?

To use the full capacity of the road? What a load of cobblers.

By continuing to the merge point then you are ignoring the queues in order to get in front of them, that is an offence, inconsiderate driving and in defiance of S 288 of the HC.

You're a road menace.

:rotfl:

No, I'm staying in my lane and not changing lanes unnecessary, as stated in the HC.

In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily.

As for being a road menace, I'm sedately continuing my journey whilst you are seething with anger and resentment at the "queue jumpers". Who is likely to be more dangerous?

takman

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

And nothing in the HC or legislations states to do what you say to do, as highlighted in bold.

rich13348's post on what he said was the correct procedure is the same as yours, no vehicle should be proceeding to the merge point if they were driving correctly in the first place.

The natural consequence of doing so is effectively queue jumping, why else do it?

To use the full capacity of the road? What a load of cobblers.

By continuing to the merge point then you are ignoring the queues in order to get in front of them, that is an offence, inconsiderate driving and in defiance of S 288 of the HC.

You're a road menace.

So using my example I posted on the first page where at a roundabout near me when you take one of the exits the road immediately starts to merge into the left hand lane. You only have 100m at most from three roundabout until it merges.

Using your logic if people don't immediately merge when they exit the roundabout they are commiting an offence by trying to jump through queue? What a load of rubbish.

But people do actually do this and when there is heavy traffic the people stopping and merging into the left Lane after immediately exiting the roundabout cause a backlog of traffic which goes onto the roundabout. This then blocks up the roundabout and stop traffic from taking the other exits which causes unnecessary traffic. If everyone just went to the end of the merging lane then it would decrease the traffic on the roundabout.

Edwood_Woodwood

d123 wrote: »

The switching lanes is referring to some people's habits of continually switching lanes to try and be in the quickest moving lane, nothing to do with lanes merging which is covered further down (I've made it bold for you).

If the traffic is moving slowly and there is a reduction in lanes then merge in turn is the correct procedure.

I think it is you who needs to brush up on the HC.

Rule 134 refers to Rule 288 by this - Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works...

And Rule 288 refers to 134...

Where lanes are restricted due to road works, merge in turn (see Rule 134).

You have also ignored the very first part of Rule 134...

Rule 134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed.

Road signs and markings on the road will give ample warning that lanes merge ahead so vehicles should get into the lane that will accommodate all the traffic, that is what one is meant to do, not to ignore all of that and drive right up to the maximum of the merge point!

Absolutely nowhere in any authority does it state to continue driving as far as possible to the merge point and then merge, it causes havoc.

Road works or not, lanes that merge have the same effect and queue jumping is a section 3 RTA offence.

Kalamazoo

You're embarrassing yourself Edward

takman

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

I think it is you who needs to brush up on the HC.

Rule 134 refers to Rule 288 by this - Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works...

And Rule 288 refers to 134...

Where lanes are restricted due to road works, merge in turn (see Rule 134).

You have also ignored the very first part of Rule 134...

Rule 134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed.

Road signs and markings on the road will give ample warning that lanes merge ahead so vehicles should get into the lane that will accommodate all the traffic, that is what one is meant to do, not to ignore all of that and drive right up to the maximum of the merge point!

Absolutely nowhere in any authority does it state to continue driving as far as possible to the merge point and then merge, it causes havoc.

Road works or not, lanes that merge have the same effect and queue jumping is a section 3 RTA offence.

How can you post all that directly below my post which shows that in some situations merging in too soon causes havoc and congestion. Yet you still think that you should always merge in as soon as you can?.

No wonder there are so many accidents on the road with drivers like you who blindly follow a set of rules and can't adjust their driving style to suit the situation they are in.

rich13348

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

This isn't the correct procedure at all as it conflicts with S 288 of the HC-

Section 288

Do not switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic

Your post simply states what S 134 of the HC says, ie it is recommended to merge in turn and then only in slow moving traffic.

S 288 says "Do Not."

S 134 is what the queue jumpers always refer to.

The correct procedure is to get over to the lane that will be taking all the traffic as soon as one has seen the signage or road markings that there will be merging traffic ahead.

It is those who ignore the signs and continue on in the lane that will be discontinued due to merging that cause all the havoc and fall foul of S 288.

There should never be an excuse for driving right to the limit of a merging lane yet it happens every day with drivers like you who think they know better.

Section 134 of HC says

Rule 134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.
You need to read the rule as a whole.
Get into the lane as directed does not mean the first sign you see telling you to move over is where you should instantly merge with traffic. In fact it goes on to say only at slow speed where it is safe to do so. Traffic slows down towards a merge and then its safe to merge in turn.

If you want to be really pedantic the signs saying 800, 600, 400, 200 are informing you that in X00 yards you will have to merge with traffic in the other lane.


Use your mirrors and get into the correct lane for your vehicle in good time and as signs direct.

This part of 288 I'm sure you will suggest makes your argument but as i read it says ...for your vehicle... During some road works lanes are narrowed so larger vehicles may not be able to use it safely. Also in some road works, the lane splits in to 2 or more coned lanes which only go to 1 place or misses a junction. You need to be in the right lane in good time for this happening.

A lane does not stop being a lane at the first sign but at the last sign where you are ordered to merge in turn.

Most motorways I drive down have traffic in both lanes at most times. It is impractical to suggest that as soon as a merge in 800 yards sign appears that all traffic moves to the correct lane. That more than doubles the traffic in the continuing lane causing traffic to slow to a crawl forcing traffic behind to slow and this continues until traffic 2 miles before the merge comes to a stop for no reason.

1886

I used to work in Nottingham quite a lot and the bus lanes, or at least a lot of them, are the type where between certain times you can drive in them. I remember once I was over by about two minutes but luckily I did'nt hear anything!

Always be very cautious when driving using a prat nav. They are only a guide, mine has tried to send me down one ways before and cul de sacs

Edwood_Woodwood

rich13348 wrote: »

Most motorways I drive down have traffic in both lanes at most times. It is impractical to suggest that as soon as a merge in 800 yards sign appears that all traffic moves to the correct lane. That more than doubles the traffic in the continuing lane causing traffic to slow to a crawl forcing traffic behind to slow and this continues until traffic 2 miles before the merge comes to a stop for no reason.

This is ridiculous!

The only reason you can give to continue to drive right up to the merge point is to make use of the road as much as possible until the merging lane ends, this just spreads the traffic wider rather than lengthening it.

There is still only the same amount of vehicles.

The ultimate effect still remains the same, for eg on a two lane road that merges to a single lane, only one vehicle at a time will be able to proceed, whether queuing single file or merging.

You must have seen the ensuing chaos caused at the merge point where a pinch point is created which wouldn't be there had drivers queued rather than attempt to gain an advantage?

Human nature shows that those who have queued in the correct lane then are reluctant to let vehicles merge into their lane because we all know what their game is.

What makes them more important?

I have driven to the speed limit on roads that I am familiar with where lanes merge into one where it isn't busy yet there will still be some driver who will speed up and use the lane that is ending just to get a car length in front!

The truth is you just don't want to queue and instead you slow down the traffic by creating a pinch point that would not be there had you queued in an orderly fashion in the first place and which is the correct procedure.

I have shown you that the rules inform drivers to get into the correct lane as directed.

Now, you show me any authority that says you should only get into the correct lane at the merge point?

Edwood_Woodwood

rich13348 wrote: »

A lane does not stop being a lane at the first sign but at the last sign where you are ordered to merge in turn.

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If I see traffic signs informing me that the speed limit ahead is reducing then I'll slow down so that when I enter that reduced speed zone I am within that limit in good time.

I won't just suddenly put on my brakes a yard or two before that reduced speed zone.

However, some do and some do not, I know who the better driver is who can anticipate.

Just as you know your lane is going to merge, you are meant to do what the traffic signs direct.

Put it this way, if you were on a two lane carriageway where a lane was going to end, and there was no traffic around, would you continue in that merging lane or simply move over into the one that will be continuing in good time?

Why would you wait until the last moment? It would make no sense.

But it would make sense for you if there was congestion because your initial thought will be you want to beat the queue.

No other reason.