Why are leavers so angry

A_Medium_Size_Jock

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Given that student loans only went up to £9k pa in 2012 and EU students aren't eligible for maintenance loans, the only EU students who have left with more than £9k total debt will only have graduated this summer!

That's not quite true though is it?
A previous maximum tuition fee loan of £3465 over four years (using your reckoning of the time it takes for a degree, since many take three years) equals more than the 9k you suggest, does it not?
Even at three years it equals more.

The BBC highlighted this problem as long ago as 2009.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7912548.stm

Ballard

Why is Farage so angry?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

mayonnaise

Ballard wrote: »

Why is Farage so angry?

To appeal to angry people.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

A Christmas message for all the 'liberals' out there, happy Xmas;

Merry Christmas to you too, Conrad!

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If every single person on the entire planet, all 7 billion of them Graham, descended on the UK at once, they would all fit on the Shetland Islands standing side by side.

The entire population Graham, of the planet.

The problem isn't that there isn't enough space in the country, its that there isn't enough space in your mind. And that is both the hardest and the easiest thing to add an extension to.

:money:

gosh
Hamish will be pleased

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Much higher taxes in total, not per person.



I couldn't agree with you more. But no-one wants to seem to want to force the government to fix the cause when it's easier to try and mask the symptoms.

I know you believe that we have masses of money and it simply being misused.
Like every new government for the last 30 years, that promise to makes us rich by eliminating waste and provide fantastic services without any increase in tax.

Given the current situation we are in, we still have a budget deficit inspite of the wall of money coming from imigrants: if we wish to spend more on infrastructure to pay for the increase in popluation then that means higher taxes PER PERSON or massively higher borrowing.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Um, duh. This is a forum discussing the economy, hardly a surprise to see Brexit discussion on here. Your post is like going onto a tiddlywinks forum claiming that posts on there prove everybody is obsessed with tiddlywinks.

Naaaah! If people are on here as often as these characters are....they are interested and so are the public. In any event I thought you had me on ignore Fella....good to see you back and Merry Xmas my friend;)

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

So if you're happy with those as options being discussed, why do you care if leave voters are angry (which they aren't anyway) ?

That is a separate issue in my view, I may be wrong but I sense that the hard Brexit advocates are stoking animosity towards anyone who wants a softer Brexit, including those Remainers who accept the outcome but not that it means hard Brexit.

I care because Britain used to be a more tolerant nation.

Shouldn't you actually be quite pleased that the rhetoric is moving away from an apparent hard brexit and towards something that you would find acceptable?

I am pleased. But I still believe that the EU may take a different view of the issue and force us into a hard Brexit.

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

the money we pay the EU has just about zero to do with the costs of running the single market: its to pay for subsidies and handouts

Subsidies and handouts that are part of operating the single market

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

Why is Farage so angry?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The "charity" has actively campaigned against UKIP for some years. While it's stated aims are laudable. Seems to be on the very left of the political spectrum. Which no doubt attracts an element of not so nice individuals to it's events, meetings and rallies .