Why are leavers so angry

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

the money we pay the EU has just about zero to do with the costs of running the single market: its to pay for subsidies and handouts

Or in other words, to ensure that there is a functioning single market to trade with.

Fella

Moby wrote: »

This post is so funny. The fact that you bothered to come here and post it, add to that the 22 thanks you received (highest number I've ever seen) and that proves your post coudnt be more wrong.

Um, duh. This is a forum discussing the economy, hardly a surprise to see Brexit discussion on here. Your post is like going onto a tiddlywinks forum claiming that posts on there prove everybody is obsessed with tiddlywinks.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Or in other words, to ensure that there is a functioning single market to trade with.

a single market is about the removal of tariff and other barriers : doubtless there are administrative costs but these are neglible compared to our contributions to the collective EU funds

you can read more here


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_market

the EU budget is spent on a variety of things including supporting protectionism and large grants to rich tory uK farmers;
you can see more details here

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/money/expenditure_en

Herzlos

Graham_Devon wrote: »

If you want a better chance of getting a place in education, getting a house or getting a job, put simply, you want less competition.

Or you want more supply.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Or you want more supply.

and much higher taxes to pay for the extra supply necessary to meet the needs of the larger population

Graham_Devon

Herzlos wrote: »

Or you want more supply.

Indeed.

Which is exactly what I have stated numerous times, indeed on this forum only last week isn't happening.

It's OK to suggest "but if we increase supply we can cope with immigration", the reality of it though is we haven't and aren't increasing the supply of any infrastructure to cope with the numbers of people.

Ideals and reality are two very different things. If it doesn't affect you personally, looking at the ideals is great. If it does affect you though, those ideals are a simple pipe dream.

Only in the last few days we've had numerous news stories about various areas not being about to function. Trains, Hospitals, Councils (who can't cope with the throughput of housing enquiries).

In the past decade we've had what, an extra 2m people? Yet we have fewer hospitals, fewer GP surgeries, no increase in train lines or trains, staff count at councils has reduced (though those at the trough have increased their numbers) and it's taken us decades to umm and arr over a runway.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

a single market is about the removal of tarriff and other barriers : doubtless there are administrative costs but these are neglible compared to our contributions to the collective EU funds

you can read more here


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_market

the EU budget is spent on a variety of things including supporting protectionism and large grants to rich tory uK farmers;
you can see more details here

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/money/expenditure_en

The budget is spent on a variety of things Clapton, most of which benefit you. Not least by ensuring that you have never been less likely to be killed in a war against Germany or France. Admittedly I don't think the Clapton Divison would be any commander's first choice of frontline shock troop but there's still a chance that a stray shell could make its way to the mess tent.

ruggedtoast

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Indeed.

Which is exactly what I have stated numerous times, indeed on this forum only last week isn't happening.

It's OK to suggest "but if we increase supply we can cope with immigration", the reality of it though is we haven't and aren't increasing the supply of any infrastructure to cope with the numbers of people.

Ideals and reality are two very different things. If it doesn't affect you personally, looking at the ideals is great. If it does affect you though, those ideals are a simple pipe dream.

Only in the last few days we've had numerous news stories about various areas not being about to function. Trains, Hospitals, Councils (who can't cope with the throughput of housing enquiries).

In the past decade we've had what, an extra 2m people? Yet we have fewer hospitals, fewer GP surgeries, no increase in train lines or trains, staff count at councils has reduced (though those at the trough have increased their numbers) and it's taken us decades to umm and arr over a runway.

True to the UKIP handbook, you are massively over stating the marginal cost of one working person arriving and totally disregarding their net contribution. If you want a casebook study of drain on the state look at the 100,000 British pensioners in Spain, leaching off the Spanish health system and spending their state pension money on bangers and mash imported from Hull.

Public services are collapsing because the government is much more interested in offering tax breaks to the people that have paid them off to provide tax breaks, than they are in funding public services.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The budget is spent on a variety of things Clapton, most of which benefit you. Not least by ensuring that you have never been less likely to be killed in a war against Germany or France. Admittedly I don't think the Clapton Divison would be any commander's first choice of frontline shock troop but there's still a chance that a stray shell could make its way to the mess tent.

where once there was your vitriol against fat cat rich boomer landlords, now you write in praise of giving these enormously rich gentleman farmers, masses of money : doubtless you doff your cap when they pass by.

Peace in Europe is a very good thing : many think that 2 million allied (mainly US) troop stationed in German were that major factor.
Obviously your narrative is that you would have preferred Putin troops there rather than the Allies.

Trade does, im sure often bring peoples together which is why we can both join in condemning the protectionist EU that has done so much harm to the non white, non christian non european countires of the world

Graham_Devon

ruggedtoast wrote: »

True to the UKIP handbook, you are massively over stating the marginal cost of one working person arriving and totally disregarding their net contribution. If you want a casebook study of drain on the state look at the 100,000 British pensioners in Spain, leaching off the Spanish health system and spending their state pension money on bangers and mash imported from Hull.

One?

I was talking about 2m people. Hence why I said 2m people. Sorry if that confused you.