Why are leavers so angry

ukcarper

Ballard wrote: »

Not at all. We voted to leave so leave we must. I think that the vast majority of us will regret leaving but that's not the point. I don't even want a second referendum. There are just so many questions that need to be answered before we go.

Might I politely suggest that you don't generalise in future.

I agree I voted remain and accept that we must leave and as far as I'm concerned the sooner the better.

Sapphire

BobQ wrote: »

I care because Britain used to be a more tolerant nation.

No. I'm sorry, but that is just not the case. I can remember being called 'bloody foreigner' as a child. I say this as the offspring of a white European family that was given political exile here after the Second World War having lost everything, including close family to the Germans and Russians while fighting for their country (and, incidentally, yours), fat lot of good it did them. The attitude towards those with a differently coloured skin was even worse.

I'm not saying it bothered me, since I have no problem being a 'bloody foreigner'. I'm proud of my heritage and my parents and grandparents' actions during the war, so such statements just made me laugh out loud at the speakers. However, Britain is obviously much more tolerant now than it used to be – in fact too tolerant in some respects, which has seriously weakened it against those who are not that way inclined.

Fella

Ballard wrote: »

Not at all. We voted to leave so leave we must. I think that the vast majority of us will regret leaving but that's not the point. I don't even want a second referendum. There are just so many questions that need to be answered before we go.

Might I politely suggest that you don't generalise in future.

There's a reason that Article 50 triggers a 2-year process & not a 5-minute process. The reason is that those 2-years are supposed to be the time it takes to sort it out. Adding an indeterminate amount of time onto the 2-year process by not triggering Article 50 is an unnecessary delay & furthermore it's a direct contravention of the deal that people were told they were voting on; Cameron said he would go to Brussels immediately after the referendum to trigger Article 50.

You've suggested I don't generalise but then spoken in a way that suggests that you're happy for the trigger of Article 50 to be delayed. So to be honest it doesn't sound like that unfair a generalization. Anybody who truly supports Brexit now should have no issue supporting the immediate trigger of Article 50.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

No - they won't.

You don't strip people's rights and citizenship away from them against their will and expect them to 'eventually accept and heal'.

We are a nation divided - and that division is going to get much, much worse over the coming years.

Leave voters may have won the battle - but they'll lose the war.

Hahaha jog on.

It's not a war, you're not being stripped of any rights that impinge on your ability to live your life.

Stop being a muppet.

Ballard

I quite like the idea of the government having an idea of what they want and agreeing about it before the clock starts ticking on the 24 months. Perhaps you'd have preferred that we triggered article 50 6 months ago so that we could start the process 9 or more months in but that doesn't seem a particularly bright idea to me.

Fella

Ballard wrote: »

I quite like the idea of the government having an idea of what they want and agreeing about it before the clock starts ticking on the 24 months. Perhaps you'd have preferred that we triggered article 50 6 months ago so that we could start the process 9 or more months in but that doesn't seem a particularly bright idea to me.

That's the whole point. Had we triggered Article 50 6 months ago, work on the deal would have begun immediately. Instead of, as you point out, not beginning for 9 or more months which will actually be the case.

The delay in triggering it is not being spent achieving anything worthwhile, it is just extra delay. And no matter how much we delay, and regardless of how long a process Article 50 triggered, we'll be told it's not enough. And most of the people telling us that will be people who don't want Brexit to take place, at all.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Hahaha jog on.

It's not a war, you're not being stripped of any rights that impinge on your ability to live your life.

Stop being a muppet.

The voice of the Leave camp speaks.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The voice of the Leave camp speaks.

"Pot", "kettle" and "black" springs to mind.

Perhaps you would prefer the terminology "Little European" in accurate response to your apparent personal favourite, "Little Englander"?

Their socialist vision of harmonised taxation and more social policies sounds utopian on paper but it fails to accept a basic fact: that Europe is not the world, and Europe cannot close itself off from the world.

https://euobserver.com/opinion/129052

ruggedtoast

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Good factoid.

I see we are back to ignorance of reality though...which was the very point of my post. :beer:

How has this become your manifesto, Devon?

At what point in your history did you look at the politics of Clapton and Conrad and decide "I want to join the same political organisation as them." ?

Do they all make you make the tea and refer to you as "Young Graham."?

Cornucopia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

How has this become your manifesto, Devon?

At what point in your history did you look at the politics of Clapton and Conrad and decide "I want to join the same political organisation as them." ?

Do they all make you make the tea and refer to you as "Young Graham."?

You seem very strongly tied to this notion of "us" and "them". I see that in your inter-generational ranting, too - wanting all "Boomers" to be them, despite the fact that they are not an organised group in any way.

Here, it makes equally little sense. Leave and Remain are a binary choice imposed across a complex existing political landscape. Whilst we might over-simplify down to Right=Leave and Left=Remain, the truth is rather more complex than that - as Jeremy Corbyn could no doubt attest to, had he slightly more backbone.