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Will Brexit really be good for Britain?
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Doshwaster wrote: »Really - what gives you that confidence? UK Governments of all colours for decades have neglected the NE and other poor regions. The Tories know that there are no votes to be had there and Labour know that they will vote from them regardless.
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I'd say the mainstream parties are cacking themselves over the changing voting patterns in parts of the North generally.
Labour retreats in to it's London comfort zone, whilst UKIP makes big inroads on little more than populist sentiment.
Anybody of a right wing persuasion would feel quite buoyant right now. If Brexit fails to deliver the mainstream will pick up the blame and it will just fuel the division.
Where will 'our Trump' come from? !0 -
Where will 'our Trump' come from? !
The real Trump will have failed spectacularly and been humiliated globally by the next time we get anywhere near a ballot box....
Brits wanting to emulate that failure will be the least of our worries.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Anybody of a right wing persuasion would feel quite buoyant right now. If Brexit fails to deliver the mainstream will pick up the blame and it will just fuel the division.
Where will 'our Trump' come from? !
I'm of a right wing persuasion (have voted Conservative in every election since 1992) but I'm anything but buoyant right now.
The last thing we need is a Trump. We've had Farage spouting populist nonsense but his record in Westminster elections is only slightly better than Lord Sutch and the Monster Raving Looney Party.0 -
CKhalvashi wrote: »That's fine, but will you give me tarriff free access to sell whatever I want to sell elsewhere in this agreement in exchange for the £100k?
What's our billions of pounds a year, if not a tarrif?0 -
Bedsit_Bob wrote: »What's our billions of pounds a year, if not a tarrif?
It's a membership fee which is paid centrally to allow importers and exporters to trade with the rest of the EU without worrying about tarrifs, paperwork and customs.
I used to be involved with shipping equipment around the world for trade shows. To anywhere in the EU/EEA is was as simple as sending it to Birmingham but for India, China or the USA it was an absolute pain. It was expensive, slow, bureaucratic and if there was any errors your goods would be stuck in a customs warehouse for ages until you got clearance. Often we had to get the British Embassy in the country involved to get things sorted.
If you are going to dump a load of red tape on British businesses then you are going to put them at a disadvantage against their competitors on the Continent. This is why even Liam Fox is starting to realise the value of stopping in the Customs Union.0 -
Doshwaster wrote: »It's a membership fee which is paid centrally to allow importers and exporters to trade with the rest of the EU without worrying about tarrifs, paperwork and customs.
I used to be involved with shipping equipment around the world for trade shows. To anywhere in the EU/EEA is was as simple as sending it to Birmingham but for India, China or the USA it was an absolute pain. It was expensive, slow, bureaucratic and if there was any errors your goods would be stuck in a customs warehouse for ages until you got clearance. Often we had to get the British Embassy in the country involved to get things sorted.
If you are going to dump a load of red tape on British businesses then you are going to put them at a disadvantage against their competitors on the Continent. This is why even Liam Fox is starting to realise the value of stopping in the Customs Union.
how much did it add to your costs
interesting we do more trade with the rest of the world than the EU
interesting that the share of trade with the EU is falling
some-one must be coping with the paperwork0 -
how much did it add to your costs
interesting we do more trade with the rest of the world than the EU
interesting that the share of trade with the EU is falling
some-one must be coping with the paperwork
People "cope" with it as it is their job to do so but it still a big cost to business. You still haven't explained why adding extra red tape to companies which deal with the EU is going to help them win customers and make more money when their competitors in Dublin or Dusseldorf won't have the problem.
Also, putting up extra trade barriers with the EU won't make selling to the rest of the world any easier.0 -
Doshwaster wrote: »People "cope" with it as it is their job to do so but it still a big cost to business. You still haven't explained why adding extra red tape to companies which deal with the EU is going to help them win customers and make more money when their competitors in Dublin or Dusseldorf won't have the problem.
Also, putting up extra trade barriers with the EU won't make selling to the rest of the world any easier.
my simple question was much does did the red tape cost you?
I believe in free trade, so of course I think tariffs and other barriers will harm the EU27, just as I believe the current protectionism of the EU harms all 28 of us now.0 -
Like all clubs there is good and there is bad. Why does the EU have 90% of manufactured goods on free trade within the EU but a similar service agreement which supposedly the UK excels at has been voted down by the Italians and Germans twice.
I do believe the EU will want to make life hard because it will suit them to do so.
The government plan post the vote seems to be to bow down to big business. I have my doubts whether that will be successful as small business's create jobs not big ones.
It is also fairly obvious that actually looking after the long term good for the electorate is not high on the political agenda. The tories good have had a good go at winning the EU vote if they had actually realistically reduced non EU migration but heh more people more consumption more GDP.0 -
my simple question was much does did the red tape cost you?
Hard to put a price on it but I could arrange the shipping of some equipment to Birmingham, Berlin or Barcelona in a few minutes. If it was going to Boston, Basle (Switzerland so not in the customs union) or Beijing then it would take much longer as you would have to do a full itemisation of the contents and the amount of paperwork was much greater. That's just the cost of time taken then on top of that there would be the import/export tariffs to pay and the additional delays involved.
There is also the practical problem that airports and seaports in the UK aren't setup to do full customs checks on all goods which go to/from the EU. That would need a massive increase in the size of HMRC's operations. Again - for what advantage?0
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