Labour people, its time to dump Corbyn

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

The welsh valleys and mining areas were all created by immigrants : only the mad left thinks there is some sort of entitlement to live in confort is a place past its sell by date.
The leftie narrative that it was worth saving at huge tax payer expense is a self evident nonsense.
Immigrants from all over the world manage to travel thousands of miles for a better life: the left discouraged the welsh to travel a few 10s or 100s of miles and blame Thatcher and the tories
In any event the tories weren't in power from '97 to 2010
Labour is the party of benefits and lack of aspiration and encourages wasted lifes waiting for some-one else to solve your problems.
Fortunately the harm labour does is mainly confined to the people with less to contribute in any case.

Usual ignorance and bigotry from you. The Labour Party has done more for the working classes of this country than any other party. You and your bigoted fellow travellers cant see outside your own little worlds of shouting at the immigrants for your troubles. You give advice about travelling a few 100s of miles to get work.........tell it to your progeny.......instead of whining day after day after day on here about resources and how the immigrants are taking them, hypocrite.

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

Yep. Basically your Welsh valleys Labour voter thinks the state should guarantee him a job for life within walking distance so that he is never in any circumstances expected or required to leave the Welsh valleys.

Well, wakey wakey, as Thatcher explained.

Some like me moved and did OK. You cant generalise. I was talking about how Govmts dealt with post industrialisation as a overarching policy. Thatcher lacked compassion and a proper policy and paid the price of dividing a nation.We'll see in the coming years how Theresa Mayhem approaches the same divisions........once she has done her feature for Vogue. Who does she think she is:eek:

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Usual ignorance and bigotry from you. The Labour Party has done more for the working classes of this country than any other party. You and your bigoted fellow travellers cant see outside your own little worlds of shouting at the immigrants for your troubles. You give advice about travelling a few 100s of miles to get work.........tell it to your progeny.......instead of whining day after day after day on here about resources and how the immigrants are taking them, hypocrite.

it may well be true that Labour has done a lot of good for ordinary people.
Sadly those days are over.
Political correctness, arrogant distain for the concerns of ordinary people, more interest in trotskyite politics that real policies, support for the IRA, belief that the death of 40 million people was a 'result', use of unions to try to bring down cpaitalism rather than further the concern of workers or passengers are making the Labour party an irrelevance.

And of course your own ridiculous posts : you know NOTHING about my personal history nor that of my family but you deem it appropriate to pretend to make up false facts : absolutely typical of communist progaganda but does you no credit.
You're becoming a Trump in a post truth age.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

The welsh valleys and mining areas were all created by immigrants : only the mad left thinks there is some sort of entitlement to live in confort is a place past its sell by date.
The leftie narrative that it was worth saving at huge tax payer expense is a self evident nonsense.
Immigrants from all over the world manage to travel thousands of miles for a better life: the left discouraged the welsh to travel a few 10s or 100s of miles and blame Thatcher and the tories
In any event the tories weren't in power from '97 to 2010
Labour is the party of benefits and lack of aspiration and encourages wasted lifes waiting for some-one else to solve your problems.
Fortunately the harm labour does is mainly confined to the people with less to contribute in any case.

Considering your demesne of Little Snoddington On Tweed only exists due to centuries of Tory backhanders, misappropriated spending, right wing interventions against working class industries, planning stitch ups, and fiscal and electoral gerrymandering - you have some nerve writing this.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Considering your demesne of Little Snoddington On Tweed only exists due to centuries of Tory backhanders, misappropriated spending, right wing interventions against working class industries, planning stitch ups, and fiscal and electoral gerrymandering - you have some nerve writing this.

welcome back

whilst I can't say that absence has made the heart grow stronger nor can I say it has added any sense or content to your posts
but welcome back anyway.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

it may well be true that Labour has done a lot of good for ordinary people.
Sadly those days are over.
Political correctness, arrogant distain for the concerns of ordinary people, more interest in trotskyite politics that real policies, support for the IRA, belief that the death of 40 million people was a 'result', use of unions to try to bring down cpaitalism rather than further the concern of workers or passengers are making the Labour party an irrelevance.

And of course your own ridiculous posts : you know NOTHING about my personal history nor that of my family but you deem it appropriate to pretend to make up false facts : absolutely typical of communist progaganda but does you no credit.
You're becoming a Trump in a post truth age.

What on earth is an 'ordinary person'? Don't tar everyone in Labour with the same brush. That is your mistake. We don't all think like Diane Abbot or John McDonnell. Labour is a broad church. Re. my false facts.......you blame immigration for lack of opportunities for your family.......just like you said for me and other Welsh people perhaps you and your family should therefore take the same advice i.e. travel elsewhere to find work!....or are you allowed your 'entitlements' where you already live Clapton? Can't see how that is ridiculous. I personally think it's a harsh thing to say to someone because I don't know their situation. ........but you suggested it above and I just applied the same rule to you!....what's sauce for the goose;)

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Don't tar everyone in Labour with the same brush. That is your mistake. We don't all think like Diane Abbot or John McDonnell. Labour is a broad church. Re. my false facts.......you blame immigration for lack of opportunities for your family.......just like you said for me and other Welsh people perhaps your progeny should therefore take the same advice i.e. travel elsewhere to find work!....or are you allowed your 'entitlements' where you already live Clapton! Can't see how that is ridiculous. I personally think it's a harsh thing to say to someone because I don't know their situation. ........but you suggested it above and I just applied the same rule to you!....what's sauce for the goose;)

find ONE SINGLE post of mine that mentions opportunities for MY FAMILY.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

find ONE SINGLE post of mine that mentions opportunities for MY FAMILY.

You've made over 41 000 posts mate. Why should I bother.....but I remember you whining about immigration reducing the resources available to your family. People like you need to get off your backsides and do something useful for society instead of whinging day after day about immigrants being the cause of all your ills!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Quote Clapton

Why should I bother.....but I remember you whining about immigration reducing the resources available to your family. People like you need to get off your backsides and do something useful for society instead of whinging day after day about immigrants being the cause of all your ills!

give me one SINGLE post where I mention opportunities to MY FAMILY.

I often mention the low wages dues to flood of cheap labour and fail to see why you think that a good thing
neither do I understand why you think sky high house price in London helps the ordinary people
nor do I undertand why you think that the 8 million immigrant help the people of your home welsh village/town

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

Andy Burnham and talent do not belong in the same sentence. The man is a lackey and a jellyfish.

Tell that to the Hillsborough victims!